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Old 07-30-2009, 09:21 AM
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When the learned judges grade you car, is it a static score as in not running or driving, or do they take it out for a spin? How can they tell things like gear ratios, wild cams, roller rockers, comp ratios, etc. etc. otherwise? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by kerrmudgeon
When the learned judges grade you car, is it a static score as in not running or driving, or do they take it out for a spin? How can they tell things like gear ratios, wild cams, roller rockers, comp ratios, etc. etc. otherwise? Thanks.
Nice looking 62! I would like to answer all your questions but to understand what the NCRS is about and their judging go to ncrs.org

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For Flight Judging, the car is not driven. The owner will be asked to start the engine from cold to do a quick operations check, but unless there is some obviously non-stock idle quality or unusual noise level, internal engine mods are not on the radar.

If a Performance Verification is being done, then a road test is accomplished with the owner driving the car and a judge riding as passenger. Some of the points you mention may come up if there is a strong influence on the perfoamance of the car which is not typical of factory production.

There's no type of NCRS judging where the engine is internally inspected.
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Additionally, there's no attempt to verify if optional specs (like diff ratios) are original to the car. No need and no benefit in showing up with order forms, window stickers etc. unless there's something very unusual about the car that would draw attention.

An example would be a car with a body colour that does not match the trim tag (a bonafide factory error). Some paperwork showing that the car was delivered in that condition would be of great help.
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Originally Posted by kerrmudgeon
When the learned judges grade you car, is it a static score as in not running or driving, or do they take it out for a spin? How can they tell things like gear ratios, wild cams, roller rockers, comp ratios, etc. etc. otherwise? Thanks.
For Flight Judging. You will have drive your car on to the judging field. You are asked to run your car as they do an "ops check". Most experienced judges can tell if your engine sounds like it should for the HP it is rated for.
Unless you are trying for a PV (performance verification) and that's a whole other ballgame.
NO ONE other than you will ever drive your car at an NCRS event.
Join the NCRS it the best $35 you can spent on your car. Buy a Judging Manual for the year of your car & a Judging Reference Manual take your car to a Chapter event and have a good time.
Hope I helped
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Minor point Bill, but there's no obligation to drive the car on or off the judging field. It can be pushed or trailered depending on logistics.

The only time the engine need be run is during the ops check. At some meets, this is done prior to placing the car in it's judging spot.
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
Minor point Bill, but there's no obligation to drive the car on or off the judging field. It can be pushed or trailered depending on logistics.

The only time the engine need be run is during the ops check. At some meets, this is done prior to placing the car in it's judging spot.
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My JRM may be out of date but Section 2 #9 Placement on the Show Field
" At the time of placement on the show field, the car must be driven under its own power into position".
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Very true, but I've seen many exceptions to the rules. I've pushed many cars on and off, but only run over my own foot once (so far).

Maybe better wording would be "At the time of placement on the show field, the car must be capable of being driven under its own power into position" As more and more meets are being held indoors the need to accommodate this is important.
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With some of the indoor meets, fire codes do not alow the car to be driven in some events.

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