CC..............pepper spray?
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CC..............pepper spray?
Concealed Carry. .. All the hubbub about cars being stolen has certainly got everyone's attention. .. . . While some states allow CC permits for 'civilians' of that particular state many other states won't allow it.
Serious 'heat' aside, what's the next best thing to trip up or foil some thief - whether it be in a parking lot setting, or out on the road? . . Should the worst happen pepper spray seems to be the second (first?) best choice (and available) .. What say you?
Serious 'heat' aside, what's the next best thing to trip up or foil some thief - whether it be in a parking lot setting, or out on the road? . . Should the worst happen pepper spray seems to be the second (first?) best choice (and available) .. What say you?
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If anybody criminally accosts you pepper spray is better than nothing. Not much help if somebody is stealing your car and you aren't nearby though... The problem is that OC/pepper spray is designed to give you time to escape a criminal. If you are using it to prevent a theft you have to stay near the car and the person could recover and make your life real interesting...
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Many, many years ago, in CA,a guy tried to car jack my truck.
Long story short: after I quickly punched the gas (I drive two foot, one on brake, one on gas, in an automatic car) as he tried to reach in and grab the keys, I discovered ten fingers holding onto the open window of my truck, going about 45 MPH, heart racing.
Panicked that he was still there, and not seeing any telephone poles around I could use to get rid of him with, I started prying fingers loose,one little piggie, two little piggie, three little piggie, and by the time I got to ten, he was sliding down the road about 50 MPH before rolling into the railroad bed rocks next to the street. All I could see was a giant dust cloud in my rear view mirror
Didn't report it, as CA has a nasty habit of charging the driver with various felonies if the carjacker was injured by you driving off.
About 3 weeks later, I saw what I believe was the same guy, limping down the street, covered head to toe in bandages.
Doug
Long story short: after I quickly punched the gas (I drive two foot, one on brake, one on gas, in an automatic car) as he tried to reach in and grab the keys, I discovered ten fingers holding onto the open window of my truck, going about 45 MPH, heart racing.
Panicked that he was still there, and not seeing any telephone poles around I could use to get rid of him with, I started prying fingers loose,one little piggie, two little piggie, three little piggie, and by the time I got to ten, he was sliding down the road about 50 MPH before rolling into the railroad bed rocks next to the street. All I could see was a giant dust cloud in my rear view mirror
Didn't report it, as CA has a nasty habit of charging the driver with various felonies if the carjacker was injured by you driving off.
About 3 weeks later, I saw what I believe was the same guy, limping down the street, covered head to toe in bandages.
Doug
Last edited by AZDoug; Aug 21, 2009 at 04:41 PM.
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OC spray is OK, but Taser is better. A lot of criminals are high on drugs, so the OC won't have much effect on them. A Taser, on the other hand, will stop a methed-up knuckelhead virtally every time. I know the liberals among us consider the Taser to be a leathal weapon, and all the studies aside, what will you do to protect yourself or family members? Personally, I have a CCW (Arizona), so the Taser isn't high on my personal safety list, though I do carry one on my duty belt.
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My favorite is Ortho Hornet and Wasp Foam. It has a thirty foot reach and is not to my knowledge considered a weapon. Makes his eyes sting real bad and can really fill up his nasal cavities.
Keep a can in my car in case of "Hornets or Wasps".
Fred
Keep a can in my car in case of "Hornets or Wasps".
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Check the wind direction before you spray. Most effective if sprayed onto face in a back and forth motion. Less effective but will work against someone wearing glasses.
Black Bear droppings has vegitation and the remains of small rodents in it. Grizzly Bear droppings has hiking shoes and bells in it and smells like pepper spray.
Black Bear droppings has vegitation and the remains of small rodents in it. Grizzly Bear droppings has hiking shoes and bells in it and smells like pepper spray.
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Many, many years ago, in CA,a guy tried to car jack my truck.
Long story short: after I quickly punched the gas (I drive two foot, one on brake, one on gas, in an automatic car) as he tried to reach in and grab the keys, I discovered ten fingers holding onto the open window of my truck, going about 45 MPH, heart racing.
Panicked that he was still there, and not seeing any telephone poles around I could use to get rid of him with, I started prying fingers loose,one little piggie, two little piggie, three little piggie, and by the time I got to ten, he was sliding down the road about 50 MPH before rolling into the railroad bed rocks next to the street. All I could see was a giant dust cloud in my rear view mirror
Didn't report it, as CA has a nasty habit of charging the driver with various felonies if the carjacker was injured by you driving off.
About 3 weeks later, I saw what I believe was the same guy, limping down the street, covered head to toe in bandages.
Doug
Long story short: after I quickly punched the gas (I drive two foot, one on brake, one on gas, in an automatic car) as he tried to reach in and grab the keys, I discovered ten fingers holding onto the open window of my truck, going about 45 MPH, heart racing.
Panicked that he was still there, and not seeing any telephone poles around I could use to get rid of him with, I started prying fingers loose,one little piggie, two little piggie, three little piggie, and by the time I got to ten, he was sliding down the road about 50 MPH before rolling into the railroad bed rocks next to the street. All I could see was a giant dust cloud in my rear view mirror
Didn't report it, as CA has a nasty habit of charging the driver with various felonies if the carjacker was injured by you driving off.
About 3 weeks later, I saw what I believe was the same guy, limping down the street, covered head to toe in bandages.
Doug
but i think i can top that. in the early 80s a guy (a super loser and a waste of breathable air) tried to steal one of my trucks and i cought and beat the snot out of him. (yes, you are right, don't report anything to the cops in CA, the criminals will sue their victims)
anyway i was driving a 79 vette at the time with power windows (the fastest power windows i have ever seen, they were insanely fast) so anyway the next day i was in the drive through at a burger joint. the guy comes out of nowhere and sticks his head into the drivers side door (with the window rolled down) and he says something to the effect of "now it's your turn" or "now i'm going to beat the crap out of you" somethimg like that. i was defenceless and scared sh*tless sitting in the vette, then i remembered the power windows. i hit the power window button on the center consul, the window zoomed up and nearly strangled him to death (yes i kept the window up until he passed out, then lowered the window and he fell out unconcious onto the drive through lane. the good news is-i picked up my order at the window and never saw that guy again!!
. being as he was a worthless young neiborhood punk, i think he took special efforts to avoid me...
PS: you just can't make this stuff up...
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the yellowjackets owned my car, not me. a ranch friend said to get that ORTHO, it worked GREAT. i never thought about useing it on crimanals, but what a great idea, i can say "i don't need no stinking gun, i have ORTHO"...
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I'm toying with the idea of putting a fake bottom driver side seat in the car when I leave it unattended. Inside the seat will be bamboo stakes that will poke up through the cover if sat on. Will cover the stakes with you know what. Learned that in Viet Nam.
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John,
Kimber (they make good 1911 style .45s) just introduced a pepper carry device that is sort of like mini paint ball gun. It shoots pepper projectiles about 20 feet to get some stand off protection if needed. Also, it has a permanent dye liquid as the carrier, so it marks the bastards for few days to help identify. In CA this is probably legal as a personal defense, but violates 16 state EPA regs.
I always carry a firearm when driving around in my 61, too many nuts out there to be in an old car where you are totally exposed. And, I have an old trench revolver in the tool box so if stopped for a repair, easy access.
Joe
Kimber (they make good 1911 style .45s) just introduced a pepper carry device that is sort of like mini paint ball gun. It shoots pepper projectiles about 20 feet to get some stand off protection if needed. Also, it has a permanent dye liquid as the carrier, so it marks the bastards for few days to help identify. In CA this is probably legal as a personal defense, but violates 16 state EPA regs.
I always carry a firearm when driving around in my 61, too many nuts out there to be in an old car where you are totally exposed. And, I have an old trench revolver in the tool box so if stopped for a repair, easy access.
Joe
Last edited by devildog; Aug 24, 2009 at 05:49 AM.
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Score +1 for the good guys. .. Great stories AZDoug and mechron. The 'lightning fast' power window - a too cool 'tool'! .. Guillotine the perp, then 'picked up my order'..............
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ORTHO............+1 on the BIG container that stuff comes in. The Kimber dispensing a pepper load/permanent dye idea sounds great - considered 'weapon', or not. Flare gun?! .. WOW .. Just looking down the business end of that thing should be enough to scare off any would-be punk.
Good ideas, all. .. It's just too bad one has to feel a need to be 'armed' to some degree. From mild to wild -- the real world intrudes, sometimes.
.. .ORTHO............+1 on the BIG container that stuff comes in. The Kimber dispensing a pepper load/permanent dye idea sounds great - considered 'weapon', or not. Flare gun?! .. WOW .. Just looking down the business end of that thing should be enough to scare off any would-be punk.
Good ideas, all. .. It's just too bad one has to feel a need to be 'armed' to some degree. From mild to wild -- the real world intrudes, sometimes.
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Orlando was voted recently the number 6 city in the country for crime...and 'road rage' shootings here have become commonplace. I wouldn't wound (or worse) a person over property (especially heavily insured property) but come after me or my family and I'll do what I have to do. I've had a CCW for 15 years and that's all I'll say on that score.
