Frame warning - Lesson learned
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Frame warning - Lesson learned
Couple of frames being 'offered' at the Kissimmee meet. I was looking at the 63 frame which was described as near perfect with just painted over surface rust. For 3200.00 I was interested until I looked closer into the frame and crossmember holes. There was a multitude of BONDO cones coming thru the rust holes! The frames had been bondo skimmed, sanded and painted.
I in no uncertain terms told the vendor he should inform potential buyers of this. I was then asked to leave.
Sorry, but I feel that is an intentional attempt to defraud a buyer into buying a defective and possibly hazardous frame. I would be remiss if I did not post this for those that might be in need of a frame. I have learned a lot in this forum by its members in my trials in putting my car back together and I would hate for anyone to go thru what I have been dealing with on my car which had a poorly repaired similar hidden 'repair patch'.
Hope I can post pics, never did that before.... CRAP, I need a web address for my pics? I'm too old for this. Will figure it out later today, gotta play with my car.
Angelo
Got it! Now to figure out how to change the date/time in the camera. snicker.
You can see the bondo cone at 6 o'clock in center large hole.
I in no uncertain terms told the vendor he should inform potential buyers of this. I was then asked to leave.
Sorry, but I feel that is an intentional attempt to defraud a buyer into buying a defective and possibly hazardous frame. I would be remiss if I did not post this for those that might be in need of a frame. I have learned a lot in this forum by its members in my trials in putting my car back together and I would hate for anyone to go thru what I have been dealing with on my car which had a poorly repaired similar hidden 'repair patch'.
Hope I can post pics, never did that before.... CRAP, I need a web address for my pics? I'm too old for this. Will figure it out later today, gotta play with my car.
Angelo
Got it! Now to figure out how to change the date/time in the camera. snicker.
You can see the bondo cone at 6 o'clock in center large hole.
Last edited by angelob; Jan 24, 2010 at 08:56 AM. Reason: add pictures, I hope
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Angelo,
Save your photos on Photobucket or a similar site, then you can link to them here on this site, click the small "envelope" looking thingy at the top of the Reply window, insert the url of the picture on Photobucket.
You'll get a little help from the forum if you give it a try and need help.
Save your photos on Photobucket or a similar site, then you can link to them here on this site, click the small "envelope" looking thingy at the top of the Reply window, insert the url of the picture on Photobucket.
You'll get a little help from the forum if you give it a try and need help.
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Good post !!! Nice smooth frames always should get a close inspection like you did. Seen the same show before. 
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Don't know much about Crane's frames, but might be worth checking out if you are needing a frame.
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By changing the frame , my guess is your not worried abought matching numbers. You can get new frames from vett products in Michgan, made from factory tooling. Or do what I did get a restoration frame frome a company in california called america's finest corvettes they are made from c3 frames they do nice work.
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Don't know much about Crane's frames, but might be worth checking out if you are needing a frame.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/65-66...#ht_7587wt_939
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/65-66...#ht_7587wt_939
BTW, the crossmember on Crane's coupe frame is not for the '67 parking brake linkage.
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Don't know much about Crane's frames, but might be worth checking out if you are needing a frame.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/65-66...#ht_7587wt_939
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/65-66...#ht_7587wt_939
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Actually, once he saw me use the camera and I commented on the bondo, our conversation went downhill very quickly. I just did not get around to getting his name since I was done and there was no name or company on his trailer. I didn't want to make a bigger scene with my wife and son there.
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By changing the frame , my guess is your not worried abought matching numbers. You can get new frames from vett products in Michgan, made from factory tooling. Or do what I did get a restoration frame frome a company in california called america's finest corvettes they are made from c3 frames they do nice work.
Just how much of the frame can be replaced before it is no longer numbers matching? ALL but he numbers themselves? I am probably going to lean towards a known GOOD and SAFE end result, with or without the numbers
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Van Steel did the chassis on a Vette I bought - found lots of little things wrong - like ALL the lower control arm bolts were loose, missing caliper pins, "fully restored" brake system with 1/4 inch of sludge in the master....
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Too bad some swap meet vendors get a chubby by screwing over the next guy.
Maybe it helps their self image.
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I had never heard of the movie before you mentioned it and I did a search. The expression holds whether you are in Blackrock, where ever or Flat Rock, North Carolina, or just standing on a flat black rock. You have good deals or bad deals experienced by different customers with various vendors. The key is to avoid the known crooks and to know what you are looking at as the OP did.
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Avoid all the grief and disappointment associated with a used (and questionable) old frame that may or may not be "restored" properly and get a new one; they're only about $1K more than the Bondo special you looked at.
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