Define "late"
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From: New Hill NC
OMG How many times this question. If they made a running change the second day of production that would be late for that part. So, there is no answer, unless we know what change you are referring to.
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Late and early have nothing to do with the calender production run of the car and everything to do with whether it's a first design or second design of a given part. These changes were done on a progressive basis throughout the production run.
Whoever decided to call it 'early and late' should be given a swift one in the butt. Very confusing.
Whoever decided to call it 'early and late' should be given a swift one in the butt. Very confusing.
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Using the KISS concept, I agree with above. If a "unit" is a car, and 1965 units are built from Aug 64 through Aug 65, my personal opinion is that late 65 production units were built roughly from May through August of 65. Methinks that is what OP is asking.
But, admittedly, what the hell do I know?
But, admittedly, what the hell do I know?
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Late and early have nothing to do with the calender production run of the car and everything to do with whether it's a first design or second design of a given part. These changes were done on a progressive basis throughout the production run.
Whoever decided to call it 'early and late' should be given a swift one in the butt. Very confusing.
Whoever decided to call it 'early and late' should be given a swift one in the butt. Very confusing.
It is confusing but this makes more sense to me than a date definition.
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Main Entry: 1 late
Pronunciation: \ˈlāt\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): lat·er; lat·est
Etymology: Middle English, late, slow, from Old English læt; akin to Old High German laz slow, Old English lǣtan to let
Date: before 12th century
1 a (1) : coming or remaining after the due, usual, or proper time <a late spring> (2) : of, relating to, or imposed because of tardiness b : of or relating to an advanced stage in point of time or development <the late Middle Ages>; especially : far advanced toward the close of the day or night <late hours>
2 a : living comparatively recently : now deceased —used of persons <the late John Doe> and often with reference to a specific relationship or status <his late wife> b : being something or holding some position or relationship recently but not now <the late belligerents> c : made, appearing, or happening just previous to the present time especially as the most recent of a succession <our late quarrel>
Pronunciation: \ˈlāt\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): lat·er; lat·est
Etymology: Middle English, late, slow, from Old English læt; akin to Old High German laz slow, Old English lǣtan to let
Date: before 12th century
1 a (1) : coming or remaining after the due, usual, or proper time <a late spring> (2) : of, relating to, or imposed because of tardiness b : of or relating to an advanced stage in point of time or development <the late Middle Ages>; especially : far advanced toward the close of the day or night <late hours>
2 a : living comparatively recently : now deceased —used of persons <the late John Doe> and often with reference to a specific relationship or status <his late wife> b : being something or holding some position or relationship recently but not now <the late belligerents> c : made, appearing, or happening just previous to the present time especially as the most recent of a succession <our late quarrel>
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Because not all production changes happened at the same month during the model year, "late" means one thing with respect to a certain part, but something else with respect to another part.
If you can tell us what PART you're wondering about, I'm sure the experts here could help.
If you can tell us what PART you're wondering about, I'm sure the experts here could help.
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From: "You may all go to Hell- and I will go to Texas- Davy Crockett
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It gets late early out there-- Yogi Berra
"I am invariably late for appointments- sometimes as much as 2 or 3 hours. I've tried to change my ways but the things that make me late are too strong, and too pleasing."
Marilyn Monroe.
It is never too late to be what you might have been.--George Eliot
"I am invariably late for appointments- sometimes as much as 2 or 3 hours. I've tried to change my ways but the things that make me late are too strong, and too pleasing."
Marilyn Monroe.
It is never too late to be what you might have been.--George Eliot
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From: Flakewood Wrench, FL
You guys are killin' me!
Very funny TB! Who says Mensas aren't funny!? What I meant was a late vehicle but that doesn't matter anymore...this is too good. My car is a 1st week in May build. It's got a late April -174 block. The 65-67 NCRS judging manual (dated '89) says late cars used a -657 block. Colvin's book shows these blocks were used when the '67 production year started. That would make a '66 car with that block "late, late" or "really late" or "very late" or "wow you missed the bus late" or "you are so late" or "double late" or is that a "double latte"? 
But really...WGAS?! I was trying to figure out with a late April 350hp engine in an early May car which AL valve covers would be "correctest". The ones with or without the crack line. I gotta go...I'm late for work.
Very funny TB! Who says Mensas aren't funny!? What I meant was a late vehicle but that doesn't matter anymore...this is too good. My car is a 1st week in May build. It's got a late April -174 block. The 65-67 NCRS judging manual (dated '89) says late cars used a -657 block. Colvin's book shows these blocks were used when the '67 production year started. That would make a '66 car with that block "late, late" or "really late" or "very late" or "wow you missed the bus late" or "you are so late" or "double late" or is that a "double latte"? But really...WGAS?! I was trying to figure out with a late April 350hp engine in an early May car which AL valve covers would be "correctest". The ones with or without the crack line. I gotta go...I'm late for work.
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That is very true. For some reason, most folks I have encountered who know A LITTLE about 63's always focus on the thick or thin side flags, and the side mirror base, to determine early or late status. Until I delved deeply into the subject, I was unaware of how many changes were made on the first year C2 during production run.