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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 10:16 PM
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QUOTE=magicv8;1573724912]That's great - if theylastas longas any other - what I paid the premium to get was the lack of corrosion on my frame and battery tray. These (^%&*( frames cost a bunch.[/QUOTE]



I got a free red top after 3 years on my 66 BB... Love it and don't have to worry about corrosion, etc. I will put a battery tender on it every now and then...



I bought the black fake Delco Topper with sides on it and it bolts down perfectly in my tray...

just bought a yellow top for my 05 Landcruiser and love it... Cranks the V8 faster..

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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 11:27 PM
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Go to the Optima website. Under product support, tech tips, tech tip #3 tells how to revive a supposedly dead AGM battery.
Try skids answer. I have one Optima 10 years old and one 6 years old both work. I have used option # 2 and it worked prefect.

Charging Your AGM Battery
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Tech Tip #3 – Don't Throw Away Your "Dead" AGM Battery: Three Tips on Resuscitating a Deeply Discharged AGM Battery
Like a ghost story, sometimes the seemingly dead really aren't dead at all. The same may be true for your over-discharged AGM battery.

In time, AGM batteries, including OPTIMA batteries, may fail. Failures are typically caused when a starting battery is used in a cycling application, in which a deep cycle battery is the better choice.

Okay, so now you have a seemingly bad AGM battery, you attach it to your charger and…CLICK. The charger won't even charge it! "It must be a bad battery!" you exclaim. Or is it? In many cases, OPTIMA batteries that are assumed to be bad may actually be perfectly fine, just deeply discharged.

The great thing about AGM batteries, including OPTIMA Red Top® and Yellow Top® batteries, is that they have incredibly low internal resistance. This allows very high amperage output and for the battery to accept a charge very quickly.

An AGM battery, with its low internal resistance, may stump car guys because sometimes it doesn't work like a traditional flooded lead acid battery.

Here's the problem: most battery chargers have built-in safety features. A traditional battery that's at 10.5 volts or less is seen as defective, having either a short, a bad cell or some other defect. The charger "knows better" than to charge a defective battery because the results could be unsafe. But the fact is the AGM battery is just fine; it has simply slipped below the minimum voltage threshold of the charger and the charger doesn't know what to do with the battery.

Here are three options for bringing that fine AGM battery back to life. So grab your jumper cables and charger and…CLEAR!

Recovery Option #1: The Best Solution – AGM-Specific Chargers

The best method for recharging a deeply discharged AGM battery is to purchase a modern charger that has kept up with battery technology. Many chargers now have AGM-specific settings and de-sulfation steps that help recondition and recover deeply discharged AGM batteries. These are becoming more common, and they work well for all lead acid batteries. They have the additional capability of doubling as a battery "maintainer" for vehicle storage. Some come with additional wiring to permanently attach leads from your battery to an accessible spot on your vehicle. This makes it easy to hook up when you store your car, truck, boat or RV.

OPTIMA Batteries does not officially endorse specific chargers—we simply don't have the time to test all of the excellent chargers on the market. There are a few that our customers and staff have tried and liked. You can contact OPTIMA Batteries Customer Service at 888-8-OPTIMA (888-867-8462) or via email at info@optimabatteries.com for charger recommendations based on different applications.

Recovery Option #2: The DIY Solution

This is a recovery method for the do-it-yourselfer using the equipment you've got in the garage. With this option, you're going to trick your charger into charging the deeply discharged AGM battery.

Here's what you need:

Battery charger
Jumper cables
A good battery, preferably above 12.2 volts (It can be an AGM or flooded battery, it doesn't matter.)
The seemingly dead, deeply discharged AGM battery
A watch or timer
Now, here's what you do:

Hook up the good battery and deeply discharged AGM battery in parallel—positive to positive and negative to negative. Do not have the charger connected to the battery or turned on at this stage.
Now, hook up the good battery to the charger. Turn on the charger. The charger will "see" the voltage of the good battery, and start providing a charge.
After the batteries have been hooked up for about an hour, check to see if the AGM battery is slightly warm or hot to the touch. Batteries naturally become warm during charging, but excessive heat may be an indication that there really is something wrong with the battery. Also discontinue the process if you hear the battery "gassing"—a hissing sound coming from the safety valves. If it's hot or gassing, STOP CHARGING IMMEDIATELY!
Check back every hour to see if the AGM battery has charged to 10.5 volts or above. If it has, disconnect the charger from the wall outlet and remove the good battery from the charger. Now, connect only the deeply discharged AGM battery to the charger. Turn on the charger and continue until the AGM battery reaches a full charge, or until the automatic charger completes the charge process. In most cases, the AGM battery will be recovered.
Recovery Option #3: Enlist the Professionals

If you don't own a battery charger, you don't want to make the investment, or you're not the do-it-yourself kind of guy, this is the option for you.

Take the battery to a professional battery specialist who knows AGM technology. Most specialists are willing to provide "charge and check" procedures free or for a small fee. Auto parts stores are typically not capable of accurately determining an AGM battery's condition, and many use conductance testers that don't provide correct readings. Battery specialists like Interstate Batteries and other independent battery distributors are experts who can help determine if your battery is recoverable or not.

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Originally Posted by vetrod62
Try skids answer. I have one Optima 10 years old and one 6 years old both work. I have used option # 2 and it worked prefect.


I'll try option 2. No guarantees I know but it is worth a try. What has me puzzled is that the thing was good all winter. Even when I started it in the spring it was good. Never needed a charge, always carried over 12 V. Then it just simply went dead. We'll see if I can revive it.
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 08:37 AM
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Take the battery to a professional battery specialist who knows AGM technology. Most specialists are willing to provide "charge and check" procedures free or for a small fee. Auto parts stores are typically not capable of accurately determining an AGM battery's condition, and many use conductance testers that don't provide correct readings. Battery specialists like Interstate Batteries and other independent battery distributors are experts who can help determine if your battery is recoverable or not.


my local flaps is properly equipped fpr these batteries and they pronounce them dead all the time no matter what color they are but im sure that some of them could probably be resurrected...the reason i am doubtful of the two battery charge procedure, is my boat had two batteries and one was good and the other bad, so i went to another brand for the boat...jmo....
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Take the battery to a professional battery specialist who knows AGM technology. Most specialists are willing to provide "charge and check" procedures free or for a small fee. Auto parts stores are typically not capable of accurately determining an AGM battery's condition, and many use conductance testers that don't provide correct readings. Battery specialists like Interstate Batteries and other independent battery distributors are experts who can help determine if your battery is recoverable or not.


my local flaps is properly equipped fpr these batteries and they pronounce them dead all the time no matter what color they are but im sure that some of them could probably be resurrected...the reason i am doubtful of the two battery charge procedure, is my boat had two batteries and one was good and the other bad, so i went to another brand for the boat...jmo....


Midyear,

What you are suggesting would be great; except, I live in a small town in northern MN and we do not have the "professional battery specialist" in the area. The closest one would be 140 miles away. Not worth the drive.

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Originally Posted by vetrod62
Try skids answer. I have one Optima 10 years old and one 6 years old both work. I have used option # 2 and it worked prefect.


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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 08:08 PM
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guys, i bought a "Battery Tender" 4 years ago and so far it has worked like a charm...best $30. investment you can make imo.
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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 11:22 AM
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Hi guys, I noticed your conversation about our batteries and wanted to offer some assistance. Steve, Dick’s Northside Service on Paul Bunyan Dr. NW is an Interstate Batteries dealer and they do offer charge and check service on Optima batteries.

Generally speaking, our batteries can be treated just like a regular lead-acid battery, although it’s important to remember that our batteries are AGM (absorbed glass-mat) batteries and not gel batteries. Chargers with “gel” or “gel/AGM” settings should be avoided. This video offers some basic tips on charging our batteries- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dNwNFZnLbc

Several of you have indicated you are using battery tenders or maintainers. Those devices are excellent investments, which will help extend the life of your battery, regardless of brand. They are especially beneficial for vehicles that are not daily drivers.

Many of the “bad” batteries returned to us now are just deeply-discharged and work fine, when properly-recharged. The technique skids and others mentioned for recharging a deeply-discharged is also explained in this video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIoaL3DWWEg

If you have any other battery-related questions, I’ll do my best to answer them.

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My Red Top is at least 6 years old and going strong. I like it and will probably buy another. Greg
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I have been using Exide Orbital batterys in a few of my vehicles for a number of years now. I've found them to be an excellent alternative to some of the other AGM batteries.

Interestingly the Miata's came to the US with AGM's in them from the beginning. I don't know about the current ones, but in the 90's they came that way. I've gotten as much as 10 years out of them and the current one in my 1990 is 8 years old and doing well.

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Is this the type w/microprocessor that can be left on the battery for longer periods;
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...1227000P?mv=rr
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In the marine industry the high quality yacht battery chargers are programable for the type of battery bank you have, conventional lead acid, AGM, or gel cell. The rate of charge and the float voltage must match the battery type. It's not uncommon to have a couple of thousand dollars of batteries on board and common sense dictates you have the appropriate charger for the battery type. I personally have left Optimas sit for months on end, disconnected, and when reconnected they immediately start the cars. Currently I have six in use with no problems.
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Is this the type w/microprocessor that can be left on the battery for longer periods;
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...1227000P?mv=rr
Hi lib, that charger does appear to have "smart" charging technology, which should prevent it from overcharging your battery in a float/maintenance situation. Generally speaking, fully-automatic "multi-stage or multi-step" chargers, which monitor the battery and charge it as necessary are the preferred option. Multi-stage maintainers will charge at varying voltages and varying amperage (rarely exceeding 2 amps) and some of these multi-step chargers are also capable of being regular battery chargers (7 amps or more).

Traditional "float" chargers, which provide a constant voltage with tapering amperage to the battery, even when it is fully-charged are OK, but not preferred. For float charging, we recommend 1 amp max, 13.2-13.8 volts. For regular charging, we recommend 10 amps max, 13.8-15 volts.

There are many great chargers on the market and we do not have the capability to test each of them and do not "officially" endorse specific maintainers or chargers. We will supply information about devices that are advertised as being compatible with AGM batteries, including the CTEK MULTI US7000 or 7002, the Interacter EX (12 volt 6 amp model) and the PulseTech Xtreme XC100.

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