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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 07:10 PM
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I'm aware of two calculators which are listed below. I'm trying to select the appropriate head gasket to achieve 10.5:1 CR while keeping the quench value between .030 to .040. The first listed allows me to do this while the second one puts me at 11.5:1. Not sure I want to go that high on CR. Which calculator computes most accurately? Thanks,

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/compstaticcalc.html

http://www.pontiacstreetperformance....p/CRcalc2.html
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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 07:50 PM
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Try www.csgnetwork.com/compcalc.html. That'll give you a THIRD set of numbers to play with......
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Its a .030" over bore correct, didn't you say the heads were about 67cc's? the deck height above or below the deck, and those are the flat tops at -7 or -8cc right?
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 01:54 AM
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This one is pretty clear to use

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/compstaticcalc.html
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Marzahl
Its a .030" over bore correct, didn't you say the heads were about 67cc's? the deck height above or below the deck, and those are the flat tops at -7 or -8cc right?
Gosh Scott, you've got a good memory. FTs are 5.4cc. Left side of engine has a deck clearance of .023 (in the hole). Whereas the right side has a deck clearance of .018 (in the hole). I'm looking at head gasket thicknesses of .015 and .020, respectively. Should give me a CR or 10.7:1 with a quench value of .038. Other than quench value, 10.7:1 depends on which calculator I use. What's your thoughts?
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 05:40 PM
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I'm going based off of assumption:

My calculator says 11.13:1 with the following information

Bore: 4.125"
Stroke: 3.760"
Chbr cc's: 67
Gsk Bore: 4.125" (not sure what gasket bore is available, could be more)
Gsk + Deck: .018 + .020= .038"
Dome cc's= -5.4
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by stix818
I'm going based off of assumption:

My calculator says 11.13:1 with the following information

Bore: 4.125"
Stroke: 3.760"
Chbr cc's: 67
Gsk Bore: 4.125" (not sure what gasket bore is available, could be more)
Gsk + Deck: .018 + .020= .038"
Dome cc's= -5.4
FT cc is +5.4
Gsk Bore is 4.1
Bore is 4.030
Stroke is 3.25"
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Brumbach
FT cc is +5.4
Gsk Bore is 4.1
Bore is 4.030
Stroke is 3.25"
My bad.. Try this again. With those numbers:

Dome: 5.4cc
Gsk BR: 4.100"
Bore: 4.030"
Stroke: 3.25"
Chbr cc: 67
gsk + deck: .038"

I got 10.8
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How do you get a +5.4 dome with flat tops, if they have valve notches cut your value should be -5.4 in which case your CR is about 9.4:1, I'm curious about how where you got that value?
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Originally Posted by Scott Marzahl
How do you get a +5.4 dome with flat tops, if they have valve notches cut your value should be -5.4 in which case your CR is about 9.4:1, I'm curious about how where you got that value?
Here's the spec.s on the FTs.

Brand Speed Pro
Manufacturer's Part Number ZL2165F
Part Type Pistons
Product Line Speed-Pro Power Forged Pistons
Summit Racing Part Number TRW-L2165F

Bore (in) 4.000 in.
Bore (mm) 101.600mm
Piston Style Flat top, with four valve reliefs
Piston Material Forged aluminum
Compression Distance (in) 1.671 in.
Piston Head Volume (cc) +5.40cc
Wrist Pin Style Press-fit
Pin Diameter (in) 0.927 in.
Piston Ring Thickness 5/64 in. x 5/64 in. x 3/16 in.
Quantity Sold individually.
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Originally Posted by Scott Marzahl
How do you get a +5.4 dome with flat tops, if they have valve notches cut your value should be -5.4 in which case your CR is about 9.4:1, I'm curious about how where you got that value?
I looked up his part number and they are indeed valve reliefs..

Brumbach, with what you posted I believe your at 9.35 like Scott mentioned.. I'm really not to sure why they say +5.4cc.. I guess it's adding 5.4cc to your overall chamber volume.. It's kind of confusing.. I think of it the other way typically.. I have a set of JE's and on the job sheet (custom piston) it states 17cc dome.. So go figure.. Anyways, hope this is clear as mud..
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Originally Posted by stix818
I looked up his part number and they are indeed valve reliefs..

Brumbach, with what you posted I believe your at 9.35 like Scott mentioned.. I'm really not to sure why they say +5.4cc.. I guess it's adding 5.4cc to your overall chamber volume.. It's kind of confusing.. I think of it the other way typically.. I have a set of JE's and on the job sheet (custom piston) it states 17cc dome.. So go figure.. Anyways, hope this is clear as mud..
I believe you're right. The same mfg for the dome piston lists -17 cc which could only mean relative to chamber volume impact. Oh well, I'll have to live with 9.35 CR. Thanks
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Originally Posted by Brumbach
I believe you're right. The same mfg for the dome piston lists -17 cc which could only mean relative to chamber volume impact. Oh well, I'll have to live with 9.35 CR. Thanks
Oh well.. Guess you have something to work on?? If the heads are off you could always do some angle milling but that will also affect your manifold which will need to be milled also.. Just a thought!!!
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How badly with the engine perform with a CR of 9.35:1 using the L79 cam?
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horribly..


the L79 can bleeds off static compression, the valves are open a long long time.

my 11.86:1 L79 runs fine on 93 pump gas.....
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