hokie04

I was looking at an add for a 67 427 390 hp car and it says the following:

It has a service replacement CE block [it is a XXXX289 block], from Chevrolet. Do not have the original XXXXX351 block. This block is the same bore as the original [4.250] and is built with the same spec. cam, crank, rods, pistons comp ratio, etc., as original. It is a 390 HP engine.

Somebody please translate this??

midyearvette

dealer service replacement block.....i think ce stands for counter exchange??

62Jeff

"CE" block = Warranty or Over-the-Counter block.

Chevrolet Engine

There was also L for Oldmobile, K for Cadillac, B for Buick, and P for Pontiac

62Jeff

Here you go, see post 11
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...ce-blocks.html

4440stevesvette

It is a dealer replacement block, probably replaced under warranty when the original owner blew it up!!

Mike Ward

Not 'probably', I'd say 'possibly'. There's tons of CE blocks around, being that they were not unique to Corvette, and it's a great temptation to slip one into a Corvette using the line that it was warranty replacement. In turn, this magically makes it a 'semi-matching number' car.

Blue 396

Counter Exchange

Chevy dealers sold a lot of Hi-Perf short blocks and long blocks over the parts counter long before todays "CRATE" motors.

Also as noted warranty - Dodge Plymouth went thur a bunch of 440's when that block came out in 1967 - Chevy / Pontiac guys bought new GTX's and Dodge RT's and tried to pull 6000 rpm like a GM small block - MoPar fixed the problem by '69, but the early 440's did not like anything over 5,500 rpm

Blue

bigearl56

Hay Mike, Is that like being "SORTA PREGANT" ?

Earl

hokie04

Many thanks as usual you all come through!!

tuxnharley

............Crated Engine. Had one back in the day and was told that by the dealer/parts guy that I bought it from. Dealers installed them as warranty replacements for engines that "failed"; you could also buy them over the counter and install them in whatever.

Mine was a '70 LT-1 engine that I put in my '67. It came in a crate, not in a car! Hence the "CE" designation.

Just because a block has a "CE" designation doesn't mean it was a factory/dealer/warranty replacement, unless there is some other documentation ( service order, receipt, etc.) to prove it!

Admittedly, my understanding of the definition is second hand - and 40 years old! Since there are now two opinions - "Counter Exchange" and "Crated Engine",
Maybe a real expert like John Z could weigh in and set us all straight?

Mike Ward

Reread post #3

tuxnharley

....also the entire 2002 thread it references. While there's a lot of Great information there, I didn't see anything definitive as to the definition of "CE"?

bigearl56

Just took this pic for you to see what one looks like. Hope you can make it out ok! Yes, No, Maybe?

Earl

JohnZ

"CE" stands for "Chevrolet Engine", as Jeff noted in post #4, just as "CT" stood for "Chevrolet Transmission" on 5/50 warranty replacement transmissions.

Mike Ward

This is post #3, at least using metric numbers.



Did you read post #11

Ironcross

the reason they couldn`t spin the Chrysler's past 5500 RPM`s is that they were all hydraulic cammed engines except the A990 Race Hemi.....

tuxnharley

Yeah, I'm "familiar" with the concept of "Metric numbers"! In fact, they're all "metric" - it just depends on what metric you're using to measure with!

Perhaps you meant base 10 numbers?

Hit That!

Is there a list or resource to date or get more info on "CEs". I've been told an engine is a "factory replacement" likely from 72, but I don't know where that info comes from. The older post states that the numbers could be the total number or a year code of some sort.

Thanks

JohnZ

Try this - it's the basis for "CE" engine identification.

http://www.camaros.org/engine.shtml#service

karkrafter

I thought Pontiac had 'SR'

Service Replacement....