Nice burn out......!
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That's really too bad. Looks like a staged event (given the amount of people and the road blocks). No different than the sponsored (sanctioned?) burnout contests.
I'm guessing he broke an oil line or a fuel line (with an electric pump).
I'm guessing he broke an oil line or a fuel line (with an electric pump).
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Video shows why you don't fight a flammable liquid fire with water.
I fully support the right of a car owner to do whatever they want with their property. That said, I think burnout contests are about the dumbest idea ever invented!
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Not disagreeing with the idea you don't fight a fuel fire with water. My point was looking at the video, it's apparent they did not have any foam or dry powder extinguishers (poor planning!). The car busts a line, fuel spraying all over, if you do nothing the fire is right there under the hood and soon cooks everything. It appears - and admittedly I'm not a firefighter - it appears the water, while not putting OUT the fuel fire, is floating the fuel across the driveway, washing it out from and away from the car somewhat. Am I correct to guess it also helped keep other parts in the engine compartment from catching - rubber hoses, etc?
Snake, what's the professional answer - if we state that there were none of the proper extinguishers for a liquid fire available, would they have been better or worse doing absolutely nothing at all as opposed to hosing it with water?
Snake, what's the professional answer - if we state that there were none of the proper extinguishers for a liquid fire available, would they have been better or worse doing absolutely nothing at all as opposed to hosing it with water?
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I think burnout contests would be OK, if they did not involve liquid, and the brake pedal. Can you smoke em to half-track
These stationary burnouts are a joke. Anybody can sit in water and boil tires.
Having said that, that is the first stationary burn I enjoyed watching.
These stationary burnouts are a joke. Anybody can sit in water and boil tires.
Having said that, that is the first stationary burn I enjoyed watching.
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Not disagreeing with the idea you don't fight a fuel fire with water. My point was looking at the video, it's apparent they did not have any foam or dry powder extinguishers (poor planning!). The car busts a line, fuel spraying all over, if you do nothing the fire is right there under the hood and soon cooks everything. It appears - and admittedly I'm not a firefighter - it appears the water, while not putting OUT the fuel fire, is floating the fuel across the driveway, washing it out from and away from the car somewhat. Am I correct to guess it also helped keep other parts in the engine compartment from catching - rubber hoses, etc?
Snake, what's the professional answer - if we state that there were none of the proper extinguishers for a liquid fire available, would they have been better or worse doing absolutely nothing at all as opposed to hosing it with water?
Snake, what's the professional answer - if we state that there were none of the proper extinguishers for a liquid fire available, would they have been better or worse doing absolutely nothing at all as opposed to hosing it with water?
30 years ago, I went on a call where a 69 Corvette hit a parked car at 60+ MPH. The two guys were killed and the car burnt to the ground with them in it. Corvettes, like fiberglass boats, usually burn to the ground/waterline.
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As the fiberglass burns, it too becomes flammable liquid fire.
Hard to believe that in all that time and all that crowd not one person came up with an appropriate extinguisher.
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Hope it doesn't take a stupid total loss such as this to shut down the burnout contest at Carlisle, my least favourite part of their event. Seeing tires go up in smoke and equipment abused is not my idea of a thrill.
I'd rather Corvettes at Carlisle chanelled the enthusiasm, time and energy into a Corvette weekend build-off where some lucky contest entrant's project is brought in parts, then completed right there, perhaps in a tent beside the grandstands. I can't imagine a richer selection of talent and materials available anywhere. Better still if the finished project was sold by auction
at the show with proceeds to a worthwhile charity.
I'd rather Corvettes at Carlisle chanelled the enthusiasm, time and energy into a Corvette weekend build-off where some lucky contest entrant's project is brought in parts, then completed right there, perhaps in a tent beside the grandstands. I can't imagine a richer selection of talent and materials available anywhere. Better still if the finished project was sold by auction
at the show with proceeds to a worthwhile charity.
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I guess that's part of my question. Since the hose was putting out a decent volume of water, would that have been enough to keep the burning fuel washed away, and the fiberglass somewhat cool, to avoid having the glass start up? At some point if you were lucky the fuel pump would short out, or maybe the tank would run dry. Hard to tell from the video but it seemed most of the flame was from fuel, not the car itself burning up.
Hard to believe that in all that time and all that crowd not one person came up with an appropriate extinguisher.
Hard to believe that in all that time and all that crowd not one person came up with an appropriate extinguisher.
The hose was not putting out anything close to what it should have. With a minimum of 100 PSI at the nozzle, that 1 1/2" line should have been putting out over 100 GPM. In one of the shots he was holding it with one hand. That tells me he had way less than 100 PSI (probably less than 50 PSI)and the stream, which was very poor, was probably less than 50 GPM. Again proper training for the hose handler AND pump operator would have gone a long way. If they had Class B foam, that fire would have gone out in less than 15 seconds.
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I think most people enjoy watching idiots destroying their cars by doing things we would never do. Plus it keeps the value of our cars up by having less vehicles around. 