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Old Mar 5, 2011 | 07:08 PM
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I had my 350 4 bolt dynoed today at a Vett get together. It was only
$45 so...It dynoed at 255 at the rear wheels and 291 tq. What is normal ?
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that is a loaded question. we are going to need the know whats in the engine the carb and its settings and a lot more things need to be looked at
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Originally Posted by VetteRed1965
I had my 350 4 bolt dynoed today at a Vett get together. It was only
$45 so...It dynoed at 255 at the rear wheels and 291 tq. What is normal ?


Need more info about CR and exhaust and intake system, heads and cam.

For a ~9:1 or 9.5:1 CR motor, the Tq is about right.

Doug
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Old Mar 5, 2011 | 08:24 PM
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that is a loaded question. we are going to need the know whats in the engine the carb and its settings and a lot more things need to be looked at
I don't whats in the motor besides knowing it is a 1970 4 bolt 350. I think it is running rich and the timing needs to be reset.
For $45 I said what the heck. They only took it up to 5000 rpm's in forth gear. I wanted to find out before dropping my 327 back in. I think its a good candidate for a 383 being a 70 4 bolt main. I will be selling the 350 short block after I put the 327 back in.

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255 rwhp = 311 at the crank, assuming an 18% driveline loss
255 rwhp = 300 at the crank, assuming a 15% driveline loss

Either way, it's in the low 300 range. Probably a typical street motor out of a camaro or something.

For comparison, a true L79 350 horse car would be 287 rwhp with an 18% driveline loss, so your numbers are in the ballpark.
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255 rwhp = 311 at the crank, assuming an 18% driveline loss
255 rwhp = 300 at the crank, assuming a 15% driveline loss

Either way, it's in the low 300 range. Probably a typical street motor out of a camaro or something.

For comparison, a true L79 350 horse car would be 287 rwhp with an 18% driveline loss, so your numbers are in the ballpark.

I don't disagree with the above but it brings up something I've been meaning to post for discussion about chassis dyno results. It would seem to me that driveline results can't be equated to a flat % loss. It takes so much HP to overcome bearing and bushing friction losses, gear drive losses, rotational inertia - whatever. So, if that amounts to for example, 75 HP driveline loss - that will be 25% on a 300 HP car but only 12.5% on a 600 HP thumper. Does this sound logical?

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I don't disagree with the above but it brings up something I've been meaning to post for discussion about chassis dyno results. It would seem to me that driveline results can't be equated to a flat % loss. It takes so much HP to overcome bearing and bushing friction losses, gear drive losses, rotational inertia - whatever. So, if that amounts to for example, 75 HP driveline loss - that will be 25% on a 300 HP car but only 12.5% on a 600 HP thumper. Does this sound logical?

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So if I understand . On my 327 that is almost finished. They port flowed the runners...port matched the intake,port matched the stock 2 1/2" ramshorn. They are saying 380hp at the crank. It my get 300hp at the rear wheels because of drive line loss ? How can the drive line have less drag/losses . It just sounds like nature of the Vett.Also this dyno was done with 2 1/2" chambered side pipes.
I was the only C-2 with a bunch of C-5's and C-6's. I can say it did sound the best ! The c-5's
were pulling 370hp to 400hp rwhp,but they took them up to 6500 rpm's instead of 5000 rpm's

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Originally Posted by VetteRed1965
So if I understand . My 327 that has dyno's at 380 hp. it will only be 300hp at the rear wheels because of driveline loss?
Or something along those lines. The engine dyno results measured at the flywheel obviously do not take into account driveline losses (and some engine accessory losses depending on the dyno setup). The Chassis dyno takes all those losses into account and will always be lower. I'm just not sure the driveline losses are best accounted for as a flat % of rear wheel horsepower. Seems to me that while they may not be an absolutely fixed amount for a given chassis - they should be close to it.
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Remmber horse power numbers from the 60's were gross numbers, meaning no exaust pipes or accsories .From around 71 the number were net. So a327- 350 was not 350 hp when installed in the car.
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My 327/300 dyno'd at 205hp, 261lbs-ft last year.
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My 327/300 dyno'd at 205hp, 261lbs-ft last year.
Then mine is par ! Thx
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Remmber horse power numbers from the 60's were gross numbers, meaning no exaust pipes or accsories .From around 71 the number were net. So a327- 350 was not 350 hp when installed in the car.
Ah, marketing at its best !
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Originally Posted by Godholio
My 327/300 dyno'd at 205hp, 261lbs-ft last year.
I'm curious as to what the rpm was at the HP and Torque peaks.
Also, undercar exhaust or side exhaust?
Thanks,
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Originally Posted by Vet65te
I'm curious as to what the rpm was at the HP and Torque peaks.
Also, undercar exhaust or side exhaust?
Thanks,
Mike T.
2-1/2 Ramshorn, side pipes with 2-1/2"I.D chambered exhaust. 5000 rpm's. They did not want to wind it up to 6000. I do not know if it peaked. I wish I knew that answer...
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Originally Posted by VetteRed1965
2-1/2 Ramshorn, side pipes with 2-1/2"I.D chambered exhaust. 5000 rpm's. They did not want to wind it up to 6000. I do not know if it peaked. I wish I knew that answer...
Easy to tell if you have the graph or torque value at various RPM points.

One of my older dyno sheets on my 331 CI, 9.5:1 CR. Note that the power maxes at ~5,600 RPM so there is no sense in spinning the engine up to 6K where the valves start to float. Based on the torque/HP ratio and it's a bigger engine, yours would be maxing out lower, probably around 5K.


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Originally Posted by Vet65te
I'm curious as to what the rpm was at the HP and Torque peaks.
Also, undercar exhaust or side exhaust?
Thanks,
Mike T.


Undercar exhaust, the CC N11 set. To the best of my knowledge, everything except the HEI distributor is factory spec.

I did 3 pulls, this was the highest torque. But all 3 were within about 2hp, 3ft-lbs of each other. 5500rpm was 125mph on the screen. Speed doesn't make the printout though.
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Since it was Vette Dyno Day, I did not get a printed graph.

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