65 master cylinder kit.
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Melting Slicks
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From: San Clemente Ca.
65 master cylinder kit.
I pulled my master cylinder today in order to rebuild it, and the Napa
parts kit is wrong? (or at least will not fit mine)
Its a 457 master cylinder kit.
Anyone else run into this?
Also, I didn't realize how few parts come with it?
Main seat, 1 rubber seal, a piece of foam, and a metal sir clip (for the seal).
I wanted the whole enchilada. Valve seat, valve butt., primary cup,
secondary cup etc.
Just venting as Napa is now closed, have had the parts for months,
but never thought to compare to the manual.
When I disassembled mine, I was miffed. :eek:
Its a very simple affair, but "parts is parts" does not apply here.
My master is marked (on the underside)
2225032 R2
with a "203" by the drivers side, lower cover clip area.
Have never looked into masters for yr etc.
Just thought I would throw it out there.
There is a chance its not the orig?
But it sure looks right.
Thanks in advance. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
parts kit is wrong? (or at least will not fit mine)
Its a 457 master cylinder kit.
Anyone else run into this?
Also, I didn't realize how few parts come with it?
Main seat, 1 rubber seal, a piece of foam, and a metal sir clip (for the seal).
I wanted the whole enchilada. Valve seat, valve butt., primary cup,
secondary cup etc.
Just venting as Napa is now closed, have had the parts for months,
but never thought to compare to the manual.
When I disassembled mine, I was miffed. :eek:
Its a very simple affair, but "parts is parts" does not apply here.
My master is marked (on the underside)
2225032 R2
with a "203" by the drivers side, lower cover clip area.
Have never looked into masters for yr etc.
Just thought I would throw it out there.
There is a chance its not the orig?
But it sure looks right.
Thanks in advance. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Melting Slicks
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From: The Garden Spot of the Garden State
Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (396 RAT)
......interesting that you should post this...a RAGING debate over here about mc rebuild kits...i don't know the mc numbers but i assume we're talking about and single reservoir system that i have on my manual brake '65 - i use the LICS mc rebuild kits and it has a different design piston so the parts list is different from stock...as i remember, circlip, piston, seal and end cap....worked fine on 5 cars...
...the raging debate here is the new kits from LICS have an extra part, some sort of perforated valve or end cap that is listed in the chassis service manual but NOT listed in the LICS assembly instructions - wtf???
...the raging debate here is the new kits from LICS have an extra part, some sort of perforated valve or end cap that is listed in the chassis service manual but NOT listed in the LICS assembly instructions - wtf???
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Melting Slicks
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From: San Clemente Ca.
Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (Kid_Again)
New data:
Napa now says "we only carry 66- 67 assisted kits?"
And I was told when I purchased the kit it was for a
65 single (manual brake car)
Have another problem, the female threads in the body that feed the brakes
has bad threads. (1/2 came out and look like a heli coil)
Zip has the correct rebuild kit (pictured on-line) for $25.00.
But still deciding if I should drill and re-tap to the next size up,
replace the fitting and use the kit, or just buy a rebuilt unit.
They seem to go for about $100.00 from the 2 catalog co's
I looked at on the net.
Anyone know of a local parts chain that stocks a rebuilt single
master cylinder for a 65? (Don't really want to wait 2 weeks)
If I do buy one rebuilt.
Thanks!
Napa now says "we only carry 66- 67 assisted kits?"
And I was told when I purchased the kit it was for a
65 single (manual brake car)
Have another problem, the female threads in the body that feed the brakes
has bad threads. (1/2 came out and look like a heli coil)
Zip has the correct rebuild kit (pictured on-line) for $25.00.
But still deciding if I should drill and re-tap to the next size up,
replace the fitting and use the kit, or just buy a rebuilt unit.
They seem to go for about $100.00 from the 2 catalog co's
I looked at on the net.
Anyone know of a local parts chain that stocks a rebuilt single
master cylinder for a 65? (Don't really want to wait 2 weeks)
If I do buy one rebuilt.
Thanks!
Instructor
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From: Barnegat New Jersey
Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (396 RAT)
You have probably already figured out your problem, but in case not or if anyone else could use this advice I just wanted to add that I puchased a master cylinder from Nappa a few months ago when I first got my 66. The car was sitting for many years so I redid all the brake components. The master cylinder that they kept sending me (three of them) was the wrong one. I believe the outcome was that thier book have the numbers mixed up between the 65 and 66 master cylinder. They may be sending you the wrong kit for the rebuild.
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Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (396 RAT)
Rat,
went through the same thing with mine. Couldn't find a rebuild kit that would work, ended up just buying an identical replacement master cyl through Mid-America i think (i believe it was about $100) and replaced the entire unit. Of course i oiled the original up good and still have it in a box for the next person that may eventually own my car. I will let them worry about rebuilding it. I bought mine to drive, and i am not planning on selling it, so i am not that particular about replacing something like a master cylinder, as long as it is a visually correct replacement.
Lightfoot
went through the same thing with mine. Couldn't find a rebuild kit that would work, ended up just buying an identical replacement master cyl through Mid-America i think (i believe it was about $100) and replaced the entire unit. Of course i oiled the original up good and still have it in a box for the next person that may eventually own my car. I will let them worry about rebuilding it. I bought mine to drive, and i am not planning on selling it, so i am not that particular about replacing something like a master cylinder, as long as it is a visually correct replacement.
Lightfoot
Burning Brakes
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From: Alhambra CA
Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (396 RAT)
Mark,
That is the same kit number I got about a year ago..
When I first looked at the parts I also thought it was incorrect..
Parts looked different.. however once I checked closer, they would and did work..
I don't recall the numbers stamped on the MC on my 65... but it is a single non power.
So far, the brakes are working great..
I would have liked to get the entire rebuild kit as well..
My kit was only $10.00 ??
BTW I didn't use the foam
Since this was my very first MC rebuild....
Don't tell me that it's now got the WRONG parts inside :boxing
:cry :cry
Tony
[Modified by pittsaj, 5:13 PM 4/17/2002]
That is the same kit number I got about a year ago..
When I first looked at the parts I also thought it was incorrect..
Parts looked different.. however once I checked closer, they would and did work..
I don't recall the numbers stamped on the MC on my 65... but it is a single non power.
So far, the brakes are working great..
I would have liked to get the entire rebuild kit as well..
My kit was only $10.00 ??
BTW I didn't use the foam
Since this was my very first MC rebuild....
Don't tell me that it's now got the WRONG parts inside :boxing
:cry :cry
Tony
[Modified by pittsaj, 5:13 PM 4/17/2002]
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Melting Slicks
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From: San Clemente Ca.
Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (Lightfoot)
Lightfoot, thanks for the tip.
Does your new Master look the same as your old one?
Is the cover held down with the 2 flat side straps, (like the orig.?)
or does it use a wire hold down?
Am leaning that direction (new) . I dont have a problem
replacing the master with a new identical unit.
Did find one locally, a brand new "reybestos" unit (-5 spelling)
but the hold down was wire and would look out of place.
Thanks again. This is saving me some serious time.
Does your new Master look the same as your old one?
Is the cover held down with the 2 flat side straps, (like the orig.?)
or does it use a wire hold down?
Am leaning that direction (new) . I dont have a problem
replacing the master with a new identical unit.
Did find one locally, a brand new "reybestos" unit (-5 spelling)
but the hold down was wire and would look out of place.
Thanks again. This is saving me some serious time.
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Melting Slicks
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From: San Clemente Ca.
Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (pittsaj)
Hmmmmmm, I am glad it worked for you.
But I must have had another kit, as it would not work at all in mine.
I am rebuilding mine as I wanted to replace the (check) valve part #8 in the 63 shop manual. (had a tiny bit of trapped pressure, not fully bleeding when off of brakes when released)
As well as the bad threads I discovered upon disassembly.
(Glad it didnt let go on the road! :eek: )
So what I am after now is a source where I can buy a new
orig. looking unit. Plan on using my old cover though.
Glad it worked for you.
But I must have had another kit, as it would not work at all in mine.
I am rebuilding mine as I wanted to replace the (check) valve part #8 in the 63 shop manual. (had a tiny bit of trapped pressure, not fully bleeding when off of brakes when released)
As well as the bad threads I discovered upon disassembly.
(Glad it didnt let go on the road! :eek: )
So what I am after now is a source where I can buy a new
orig. looking unit. Plan on using my old cover though.
Glad it worked for you.
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Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (396 RAT)
Rat,
the replacement was exactly like the original with the two side straps. Set them side by side and you cannot tell the diff, except for the stampings on the bottom. Mine has been on two years now with no probs.
the replacement was exactly like the original with the two side straps. Set them side by side and you cannot tell the diff, except for the stampings on the bottom. Mine has been on two years now with no probs.
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Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (396 RAT)
Rat,
i think Ecklers also carries the exact same thing for a few bucks more or less, but best i remember they were out of stock when i needed one and i didnt want to wait.
good luck bud.
Lightfoot
i think Ecklers also carries the exact same thing for a few bucks more or less, but best i remember they were out of stock when i needed one and i didnt want to wait.
good luck bud.
Lightfoot
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Melting Slicks
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From: San Clemente Ca.
Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (Lightfoot)
Thanks, They are now $129.00
at Mid America. If you ever need a 65 rebuild kit
Paragon has the complete kit for $25.00
Since my threads are gone, I will just buy a new one.
Would have ordered from Mid America, but they didnt
have a new "master" to "block" brake line in stock.
Will try and find a source that has both, it looks like
$129.00 is the going rate these days.
At this moment I am surrounded by at least 20
Corvette catalogs. LOL LOL
For some reason, I never throw any of them away. :lol:
Thanks again for all your help.
at Mid America. If you ever need a 65 rebuild kit
Paragon has the complete kit for $25.00
Since my threads are gone, I will just buy a new one.
Would have ordered from Mid America, but they didnt
have a new "master" to "block" brake line in stock.
Will try and find a source that has both, it looks like
$129.00 is the going rate these days.
At this moment I am surrounded by at least 20
Corvette catalogs. LOL LOL
For some reason, I never throw any of them away. :lol:
Thanks again for all your help.
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Melting Slicks
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From: San Clemente Ca.
Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (396 RAT)
"I wanted the whole enchilada. Valve seat, valve butt., primary cup,
secondary cup etc."
Too funny, I posted "valve assembly" Part #8, abbreviated as "valve as_."
It was replaced with butt.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I know someone was asking" whats a valve butt"?
BTW, Zip shows the Master @ $99.00 and the line @ 20.00
Will call them in the AM and see if there in stock.
secondary cup etc."
Too funny, I posted "valve assembly" Part #8, abbreviated as "valve as_."
It was replaced with butt.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I know someone was asking" whats a valve butt"?
BTW, Zip shows the Master @ $99.00 and the line @ 20.00
Will call them in the AM and see if there in stock.
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Melting Slicks
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From: San Clemente Ca.
Re: 65 master cylinder kit. (pittsaj)
"Glad my car has low mileage...
It doesn't need a Butt valve yet "
Well I am pleased to hear your down there checking
it from time to time.
Not 100% sure it was the butt valve that failed.
Could have leaked past elsewhere just as easily I suppose.
Its had this symptom for a long long time. 20 yrs plus.
Just bugged me a little, was not enough to really hurt anything.
Just slight resistance to roll when stopped. Didn't bother the brakes,
but did bother me. Verified it was in the master by cracking the masters fitting. After 80k my butt valve was not blown out. Just leaked by a little.
Mag Red Man, thanks for checking the numbers for me. Hows that BB C3?
Post some pic's on the C2 board, your comrads here I am sure would really like to take a peak at it! I know I did.. :smash: :smash: :smash:
It doesn't need a Butt valve yet "
Well I am pleased to hear your down there checking
it from time to time.
Not 100% sure it was the butt valve that failed.
Could have leaked past elsewhere just as easily I suppose.
Its had this symptom for a long long time. 20 yrs plus.
Just bugged me a little, was not enough to really hurt anything.
Just slight resistance to roll when stopped. Didn't bother the brakes,
but did bother me. Verified it was in the master by cracking the masters fitting. After 80k my butt valve was not blown out. Just leaked by a little.
Mag Red Man, thanks for checking the numbers for me. Hows that BB C3?
Post some pic's on the C2 board, your comrads here I am sure would really like to take a peak at it! I know I did.. :smash: :smash: :smash:
