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Old 10-31-2011, 08:45 PM
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Just bought a 63 SWC. Right off the bat I notice that it will jump out of either 1st or 2nd gear occasionally. Doesn't seem to do it in 3rd n 4th gear. Have never had this happen in other corvettes that I have had. Any ideas? The car was sold as a frame off restoration done some years back. I suspect the tranny has less then 2000 miles on it but was never provided the info on it. Bought the car from Vintage Vettes LLC out of Kansas City. That experience wasn't too great either.
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I had a similar problem with a 66 gto. in my case the pilot shaft bushing was pretty badly worn
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First thing to check is if the right lever arms are on the transmission. It sounds like the first-second arm is not engaging all the way and it is popping out because it is just being held in gear by the shifter rather than being locked in gear by the right placement of the gear.
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Does it happen on acceleration and/or decel?
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Originally Posted by Capt Charlie
Just bought a 63 SWC. Right off the bat I notice that it will jump out of either 1st or 2nd gear occasionally. Doesn't seem to do it in 3rd n 4th gear. Have never had this happen in other corvettes that I have had. Any ideas? The car was sold as a frame off restoration done some years back. I suspect the tranny has less then 2000 miles on it but was never provided the info on it. Bought the car from Vintage Vettes LLC out of Kansas City. That experience wasn't too great either.
My '65 came from them when they were KC Corvettes, 1995. They still owe me the jack for that car.
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Sounds like bad syncros to me...
Old 10-31-2011, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Hampton
Does it happen on acceleration and/or decel?
Yea, the shifter will pop to neutral during accel/decel phases. I believe it pops out in other phases like just driving at a constant speed. I tend to just hold the gear shifter to keep it in place to keep it from popping out of gear. I have only driven the car less then 150 miles since getting it because of this issue. Plus, I live in the Pacific NW and it is getting ready to snow soon. Don't plan to drive it anymore until spring. There's a local mechanic that claims he has worked on vettes, so maybe I might drop it off to him, but I thought I'd investigate the problem alittle first.
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Mine jumped out of 2nd. Bad main shaft. a good one was hard to find. good luck.
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Originally Posted by ktchir
Sounds like bad syncros to me...
Synchro's and slider hub on the 1/2 shaft.

You likely need to rebuild the trans, if it isn't a linkage adjustment problem (which I doubt).

Chuck
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Originally Posted by Capt Charlie
There's a local mechanic that claims he has worked on vettes, so maybe I might drop it off to him, but I thought I'd investigate the problem a little first.
Boy I think there are enough forum members up that way so that you could get a little more info on a good vintage Corvette tranny technician..

1snake (Jim) and a few other knowledgeable folks in that area .
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Originally Posted by Chuck Gongloff
Synchro's and slider hub on the 1/2 shaft.

You likely need to rebuild the trans, if it isn't a linkage adjustment problem (which I doubt).

Chuck
Chuck,
Without knowing the car or its history, you can't assume the correct linkage is on the car. To many, four speed linkage is all the same and I have seen several cars with the wrong length shifter levers installed. Many of these cars are pieced back together after years of hot rodding and such.

If you have a long lever in a place where a short needs to be on the transmission, you may not be fully engaging the gears, and nothing will keep it in gear if it isn't fully engaged.

Since both 1st and 2nd disengage, I'd suspect the arm is not fully engaging in either direction, not just adjustment.
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Originally Posted by Mark_Milner
Chuck,
Without knowing the car or its history, you can't assume the correct linkage is on the car. To many, four speed linkage is all the same and I have seen several cars with the wrong length shifter levers installed. Many of these cars are pieced back together after years of hot rodding and such.

If you have a long lever in a place where a short needs to be on the transmission, you may not be fully engaging the gears, and nothing will keep it in gear if it isn't fully engaged.

Since both 1st and 2nd disengage, I'd suspect the arm is not fully engaging in either direction, not just adjustment.
Yeah I agree on the linkage likelihood - usually those trannies tend to jump out of one gear when it's a worn slider.

What you need is an experienced (knowledgable) tranny mechanic to look at it.
A vette guy might know what he is doing but there is nothing exotic about Muncie or Borg Warner trannies.
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Originally Posted by Chuck Gongloff
Synchro's and slider hub on the 1/2 shaft.

You likely need to rebuild the trans, if it isn't a linkage adjustment problem (which I doubt).

Chuck
More than likely. 1/2 utilize the same synchro assembly and T-10s are notorious for bad synchro hubs. Try and order torq-lok hubs when you rebuild it and you will need to examine the condition of the clutch teeth on both first and second gear. They could be worn as well. These are not expensive units to rebuild and are easy to diagnose.

Normally, 2/3 are the culprits because of power shifting but if someone was attempting to downshift into first at relatively higher speeds that could cause the problem you are experiencing now, although grinding would be more of a symptom as the stress put on the blocker ring over an extended period of time will render it pretty much useless.
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Originally Posted by Chuck Gongloff
Synchro's and slider hub on the 1/2 shaft.

You likely need to rebuild the trans, if it isn't a linkage adjustment problem (which I doubt).

Chuck
Exactly. Just had to rebuild mine and those are the symptoms for the sync rings going bad.

G
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Originally Posted by ktchir
Sounds like bad syncros to me...
Every time I have had this problem (lots) it has always been bad syncros! A rebuild is in order.
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Originally Posted by Geek's 65
Exactly. Just had to rebuild mine and those are the symptoms for the sync rings going bad.

G
Just to be clear, the OP will probably need more than "sync rings" which is normally translated as blocker rings. He will need the whole assembly and possibly gears.
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good time for a 5-speed

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