Shark 2

Hi,

I am interested in buying this 1967 Corvette, but I am a little concerned because the Trim Tag looks to "Perfect" compared to the Serial Number tag next to it. Most tags that I've seen seem to be in the same condition whether they are worn, scratched or clean.

Any comments would be appreciated and I highly respect the opinion of the Forum members.

Thank You

http://s1188.photobucket.com/albums/...%20Tag%20Pics/

kenba

I see no glaring mastakes in the tag but one would have to look at it in person to tell. NCRS has a trim tag book out & well worth the money. Corvette is # 30 & would have been built the first day of proudction. NEAT.
KEN

1974purchase

maybe this will help you make the decision. also, see if the data on the trim tag is consistent with the tank sticker and other dated parts. consider owner history.

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JohnZ

The trim tag does look awfully pristine. I don't have any tag images in that low VIN range to compare to, but with a B02 build date (second day of '67 production), I'd expect to see a VIN in the 100-200 range, not 38. Maybe someone else has lower VIN range tags to compare to.

kenba

JOHN
I looked up the date. It was a Friday. I didn't know when was the first day of production. 2100 Corvettes were built that month.
KEN

SMOKINGJOE

Date Sept,16 1966 B16

kenba

Sure hard to put body # 28 on SN 38 then unless it had to go back for rework
KEN

Shark 2

This Coupe is a 350 HP and the numbers match on the engine pad. You guys are wealth of information.

Thanks

Mike67nv

It's St Louis body #28. Remember they were also putting AO Smith bodies into the mix, so S28 on VIN 38 doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

I did't have any direct experience at St Louis, but I know most assembly plants typically had a slow start up after a change-over shut down. Fremont usually took a couple of weeks to get up to full production speed. VIN 38 on the second day of production doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

That is an awfully pristine trim tag though!

SupremeDeluxe

Buy the Al Grenning / Roy Sinor book. If you review their sequential photo analysis of 67 tags alongside the tag in question (with magnification), you will be easily able to identify a reproduction tag. Authenticating trim tags is (in my opinion) far less subjective than stamp pads.

Two points:

1) On a trim tag in such pristine condition, I would expect to see vertical material grain direction in these photos. The surface finish does not look typical to me.

2) The break-off location of the rivets is shiny like the rest of the rivet and looks fresh. I would look for other evidence the tag has been removed and re-installed.

SupremeDeluxe

The original tags on both my 67 big blocks looked just like the real example posted by 1974purchase. I can post pictures later, now I have to go to a meeting

Vipermike

It looks to me like that tag may have been bead blasted or plastic media blasted.

SupremeDeluxe

I believe you are correct. I think it could be the real tag and was painted over at one time. Look at the dark residue remaining inside the closed portions of some of the characters, left behind from the cleaning operation. This would also explain why the tag has been removed and replaced with new rivets.

packrat

The 194377s100108 coupe that Robert G. referred to had a B01 build date and a S0026 body. The question becomes, how does a 194377s100038 (both St. Louis coupes) have a B02 build date and a S0028 body?
Page Campbell

vettn

There was just a whole discussion about how to ID real trim tags last week.

Camera's change the real look of tags, so need to take hi resolution picture and blow up on your computer to help.

Note below that 67 coupe body #1 is on VIN #5. Note too the body date is K13 or June 13, 1966. This is a well known car that has been on the NCRS discussion board. It is/was also owned by a good friend of mine. Note how shiny the tags are when it was a younger car to the weathered look of just a few years ago. Conditions of storage of the car certainly have an effect on the appearance of the metal.

If you blow up the poster's trim tag, you can't see things you need to....the "D" in the word body on the bottom line and if it is malformed (something repop's are not), and can't see stress marks around the stamped characters as shown in the pictures below.

The tag is suspicious in several ways. The one rivet on left is not broken off in the typical way. I can show you hundreds of rivets from my trim tag file that show the rivet was broken off virtually the same way every time. I provide a collage below showing rivets from 1963 to 1967. 67 has two pictures to show Smith and Louis rivets are the same. If you look close at some of the tags in the collage, you can see the globbish look in the center of the "D" in Body.

Get the Grenning/Sinor tag book and see pictures of what to look for. But, rivets, stress marks, vertical grain of metal, alignment of vertical line left of the body and paint words as well as the glob of aluminum in the "D" also known as the statue of liberty are the first things to look for. Of course, a real tag can exist with incorrect rivets if removed and reattached. And suspicious rivets always require full investigation.

Classic-Chevy-Guy

Were the Serial Number tags Riveted or Welded on. On my 64 the trim tag is attached my rivets, but the serial number tag, looks like it was spot welded on.

Perhaps it was changed later on.

bub

Later changed to rivets

Vipermike

Through '64 VIN tags were attached by spot welds. Starting in '65 stainless steel rivets were used to attach the VIN tag. Through approximately VIN number 9000 in 1965 round rivets were used, after that rosette rivets were used.

L79racer

Just came across this post. Here is some info I have been collecting. maybe some guys will find it interesting. Sorry but when I copied and pasted it the rows all came together.

# 1 convertible Proto type doesn't exist anymore
# 2 S2 convertible body date J30 350hp No “0” in body # job # 192A
# 3 convertible 427/ 390 HP Wrong body on chassis
# 4 S4 convertible job # 354A on firewall, 427 L-89 body date K07 No “0” in body #
# 5 S1 coupe body date k13
# 7 A-0007 convertible Motor stamped VO818HE
# 10 convertible 435 hp
# 12 S-0010 convertible body date A30 300 hp auto with air VO816 HO
# 20 coupe
# 26 S-0017 convertible job# 17 body date A30 400hp
# 31 S- convertible job# 31 350hp St Louis body from the rivets by cowl
# 33 coupe 400 hp st. Louis Yellow
# 38 S0028 coupe marina blue/black 350hp body date B02
# 43 BB car motor was on ebay
# 47 S0029 convertible body date A31 400HP black red interior side pipes bolt ons
# 56 S0036 convertible
# 79 A-0077 convertible body date A22
# 89 S0019 coupe body date A31 300hp
# 92 S0050 body date A31
# 96 S0021 coupe
# 105 S coupe 300hp auto with ac info from registry
# 108 S0026 coupe
# 155 coupe motor stamped VO818HR
# 173 coupe L71
# 182 coupe
# 183 S-0081 convertible job# 178 body date B06 block stamped VO824HT
# 203 A-0127 convertible body date A23 350 hp red black interior
# 217 S-0100 convertible ?

TC233

Strange, I have found the opposite. The trim tag seems duller and/or made from a different tin then the Vin tag. Vin tag seems to be of a higher polish, then the trim tag.