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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 10:09 PM
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Going through the Corvette Central catalog, I noticed the crankcase vent can that mounts inside the engine. Where exactly does it mount? I assume it is below the intake manifold. What happens if it is missing?
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It mounts in the valley at the rear of the engine under the intake manifold. There is a hole at the rear of the block on 1967 and earlier blocks.

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Going through the Corvette Central catalog, I noticed the crankcase vent can that mounts inside the engine. Where exactly does it mount? I assume it is below the intake manifold. What happens if it is missing?
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 11:00 PM
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See pic. This is the 'tomato can' that serves as a baffle separating oil liquid from crankcase vapors. If it is missing you can get pretty severe oil "pullover" and spray the residue out of your road draft tube.
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Correct!
Also, if you have a 63-67 style engine setup with the PCV valve instead of a road draft tube, then you will be sucking LOTS of oil into the intake manifold and severely oil fouling the plugs.
YOU NEED THE CAN (oil seperator)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Know this, there are TWO, repeat, TWO styles of oil seperators, 55 and 56-67. The one shown above is the 56-67 style. There is NO MISTAKING the 55 can, it is much longer, and will NOT fit under a 56-later 4bl intake manifold.

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Thanks guys! I was just curious. I have never had the intake manifold off of my '61 (avatar) but I did have it off my '57 when I first bought it and I can't remember if it had the can installed. The engine came from a passenger car and was put in by the previous owner. And thanks for the photo, Frankie. That helps a lot.
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Before I had the intake manifold off two years back, I also did not know if the can was installed. If you are pretty flexible you can actually look in the road draft tube hole with a mirror and strong flashlight and see if the can is in there. An articulated finger in that area can feel the mounting flange for the can as well. A piece of coat hanger can also be used but you have to be DARN careful poking around in there.
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ONLY, ONLY 56-67 small blocks have the provision/hole in the rear of the block for the can/road draft tube/PCV adapter. In 1968, this hole for crankcase ventilation was eliminated and crankcase ventilation was accomplished with holes in the valve covers. YUK, what was Chevrolet thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The wonderful Corvette script valve covers were gone forever! (NO, the 69-later finned valve covers just don't cut it!)

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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink
See pic. This is the 'tomato can' that serves as a baffle separating oil liquid from crankcase vapors. If it is missing you can get pretty severe oil "pullover" and spray the residue out of your road draft tube.
Frankie,,, Do i see a freeze plug in the road draft tube hole????

LOOKS LIKE IT TO ME!!! In the mid 60s GM as I remember put a PCV valve went in there, then elimated the road draft tube in the blocks completely. the PCV was incorperated into the intake.
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Originally Posted by mechron
Frankie,,, Do i see a freeze plug in the road draft tube hole????

LOOKS LIKE IT TO ME!!! In the mid 60s GM as I remember put a PCV valve went in there, then elimated the road draft tube in the blocks completely. the PCV was incorperated into the intake.
looks like 'clean' cast iron to me.
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Quite possibly...(the pic is part of my collection and not any car I own).

Sealing up the road draft tube would be done to make a 'closed' PCV system. That is one that works through valve covers and air cleaner and does not require the road draft hole.
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Originally Posted by wmf62
looks like 'clean' cast iron to me.
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Sorry Wmf62. All the early vettes i worked on always had that can and the valley covered by sludge. 'clean' must in your pic must have been an engine never run. Pre PCV and the tube all SBC valleys were NOT clean. That sludge contrubed to flat cams and wasted lifters on early small block cars. It was nothing new, the FE fords and chryslers also suffered from it too. It seemed to me it was obviosly the oil in the pre PCV days.

In those days we factored in flat rate to clean the sludge out.
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Originally Posted by mechron
Sorry Wmf62. All the early vettes i worked on always had that can and the valley covered by sludge. 'clean' must in your pic must have been an engine never run. Pre PCV and the tube all SBC valleys were NOT clean. That sludge contrubed to flat cams and wasted lifters on early small block cars. It was nothing new, the FE fords and chryslers also suffered from it too. It seemed to me it was obviosly the oil in the pre PCV days.

In those days we factored in flat rate to clean the sludge out.
In pre-63 engines, before the pcv, those oil separators would sometimes plug with sludge and wouldn't let any vapors out of the engine. Stopped up. I used to pour kerosene in them and then set them afire to burn the sludge out of them. Sometimes the valve covers would be full of sludge with just enough room for the rocker arms to wiggle.

Oil passages in the block would stop up and wouldn't pump oil up through the rocker stands so the owner would have to run a copper line outside the engine and into the valve cover to get oil to the rockers. Common on Stovebolt sizes and Y block Fords.

I see a plug in the rear block hole also. That's not the first one I've seen.
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In pre-63 engines, before the pcv, those oil separators would sometimes plug with sludge and wouldn't let any vapors out of the engine. Stopped up. I used to pour kerosene in them and then set them afire to burn the sludge out of them. Sometimes the valve covers would be full of sludge with just enough room for the rocker arms to wiggle.

Oil passages in the block would stop up and wouldn't pump oil up through the rocker stands so the owner would have to run a copper line outside the engine and into the valve cover to get oil to the rockers. Common on Stovebolt sizes and Y block Fords.

I see a plug in the rear block hole also. That's not the first one I've seen.
So sometimes only there was only enough sludge in the valve covers for the rocker arms to move. been there, seen that. Seen it on 292 fords and 352 and 360 and 390 fords and 406s and 427 side oilelers have sludge, Who cares. I bought a pantera in 74, the drain oil holes in the heads of the cleveland engine were bad, Pump oil into the heads. who cares, some smoke out of the engine on fire up, then 400 hp and 500 TQ. Where cares. It it is fast
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Well - I care for one...

I used to fill the old steel wool breather oil filler caps with kerosene and light them off to clean the blowby sludge out of them every few thousand miles. It works and keeps you warm in a cold garage in the winter (temporarily)!
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Originally Posted by mechron
Sorry Wmf62. All the early vettes i worked on always had that can and the valley covered by sludge. 'clean' must in your pic must have been an engine never run. Pre PCV and the tube all SBC valleys were NOT clean. That sludge contrubed to flat cams and wasted lifters on early small block cars. It was nothing new, the FE fords and chryslers also suffered from it too. It seemed to me it was obviosly the oil in the pre PCV days.

In those days we factored in flat rate to clean the sludge out.
looked to me like a block that had been 'boiled out' or 'tanked' as the inside ot the hole (if that is what it truly is) is the same gray color as parts of the valley, but considering Frank doesn't know the history of the pic, we'll probably never know...

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Merely a reference pic I snatched from some other forum member (long since forgotten). I did zoom in on it and have to admit that it does look like a freeze plug in there.
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Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink
Merely a reference pic I snatched from some other forum member (long since forgotten). I did zoom in on it and have to admit that it does look like a freeze plug in there.
Yep, it has a plug, no doubt about it.

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