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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Daren67
The caliber of guys on this forum is triple AAA rating. I am stunned by and happy how quick BS can be spotted.
There are a lot of great people here that like to help others with not only opinions, but supporting pics. You won't find that kind of thing on a Camaro forum. For some reason, there's a "cloak of secrecy" and they won't give out any info. as to why something is a fake or what to look for. I went through that B.S. when I was looking for a Z-28 and got tired of the "believe me but I won't tell you why you should" answers to my questions.

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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 1snake
There are a lot of great people here that like to help others with not only opinions, but supporting pics. You won't find that kind of thing on a Camaro forum. For some reason, there's a "cloak of secrecy" and they won't give out any info. as to why something is a fake or what to look for. I went through that B.S. when I was looking for a Z-28 and got tired of the "believe me but I won't tell you why you should" answers to my questions.

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Well to be fair the number of fake camaros out number any fake mid year corvettes out there. Be it any Z28, L78, SS, RS, and COPO cars out there. That's a lot of little of little details to sort out. And the more you let out the better the fakers can make the cars while the same can be said for Corvettes but there is a lot known books out there to help. My 2cents
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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 09:42 PM
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i added more pictures of the casting numbers
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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 10:00 PM
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Well the stamp pad looks close but it looks like some one took a belt sander to the pad. The casting number area looks fishy. Read this thread.http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...-250-bore.html

Also what's the casting date of the block

When the builder is willing to use a fake trim tag and removes the vin tag. What else has been faked and doctered up
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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
Well to be fair the number of fake camaros out number any fake mid year corvettes out there. Be it any Z28, L78, SS, RS, and COPO cars out there. That's a lot of little of little details to sort out. And the more you let out the better the fakers can make the cars while the same can be said for Corvettes but there is a lot known books out there to help. My 2cents
That doesn't apply to Corvettes? I agree that there are more fake Camaros than Corvettes. Maybe because the "guarded secrets" allow it. If the info. was out there like it is for the Corvette world, then everyone would recognize them as fakes and they would disappear. The big money is in faking Corvettes, not Camaros. I don't know of any Camaros that sell for $100K, $200K or even $300K but that's common place in the Corvette world. Why the secrecy on a $60K car but the info. on the big dollar cars is out there for everyone to see.

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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 10:11 PM
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Back to the subject. That pad is as bogus as the trim tag. The broach marks are a joke and the assembly stamp was obviously stamped AFTER the head was installed, unlike the real ones.

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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 10:12 PM
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You've got an indicated 427-435 L71 black/black car very high dollar deal but a Trim Tag that appears to be new (!) and a VIN tag that has been attached with wrong rivets hence may not be original to that car... the engine pad has that sanded broach mark look so suggest you consider going very very slowly and consider professional sources of eval such as Al Grenning http://ccas4vettes.com/
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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 10:12 PM
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I would bet money its an AOS body too.
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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 10:13 PM
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Well Jim the Camaro groups doesn't have a escape goat club to blame everything on like the Corvette people do. And the Chevelle circle is really no better
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I dont know how far you are from Hamilton, but there was an outfiit out of there that was making up cars there in the early 2000's.
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Originally Posted by wombvette
I would bet money its an AOS body too.
Well maybe the op has a picture of the door jams and lower quarter to rocker area
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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
Well maybe the op has a picture of the door jams and lower quarter to rocker area
this is getting intresting, what specifically would you like pictures of?
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Just the forward area of the door jam by the door hinges
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Originally Posted by wombvette
I would bet money its an AOS body too.
That lying Trim Tag clearly states it's a St. Louis car.

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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 10:33 PM
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Well it having power windows is not helping. Have you removed the door panels yet
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Well it having power windows is not helping. Have you removed the door panels yet
no i have not
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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 10:38 PM
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So I take it you already bought the car in question. Did you buy it knowing the questionable past
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So I take it you already bought the car in question. Did you buy it knowing the questionable past
No i did not, i was told it was a numbers matching 427 car, it had documents from the shop in texas where it was restored, as well as insurance appraisal for the car.
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Old Jul 9, 2013 | 10:48 PM
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I am afraid to ask to see pictures of the documents you received I would be curious if you could find the original color of the car by removing the kick panels and looking around for original over spray
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