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Old 07-14-2013, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ohiovet
I have used 100LL in my 57 fuelie but after changing to Shell 93 I find it runs fine and starts hot and cold with no problems.
It is a 4360 unit which I have been told won't run good regardless of the fuel but Bob Williams of Sidney, Ohio has tuned it perfectly.
NOTHING wrong with a 4360 except the gas...
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wmf62
NOTHING wrong with a 4360 except the gas...
Bill
I know a guy over in Pa. that is almost ready to refuse to work on them because they can be a major pain. At least, that's what he says.

You know who I am talking about.


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Originally Posted by MikeM
That is Shell 93 E 10? Correct?
YUP, Shell 93 E10.
Except the E10 is not posted on the pump but I doubt if it is straight gasoline.
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Originally Posted by wmf62
NOTHING wrong with a 4360 except the gas...
Bill
As far as I'm concerned you are right, the 4360 units are fine when they are set up correctly.
And the Shell gas works fine as I said, cold starts, hot starts are no problem.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
I know a guy over in Pa. that is almost ready to refuse to work on them because they can be a major pain. At least, that's what he says.

You know who I am talking about.


We all know who you are talking about and he's a fine guy and great with Rochester FI.
As I said, Bob Williams in Sidney, Ohio is a master with the 4360 and all other Rochester units.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
I know a guy over in Pa. that is almost ready to refuse to work on them because they can be a major pain. At least, that's what he says.

You know who I am talking about.


"Lucy, you got some splainin to do..."
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Its 90 today just came back from gaassin up

110 race fuel my 61 fueiie loves it got
10 gal
however I will cut it with 93 leaded. I have
tried. All of the octane boosters thru
the years NONE really worked my opinion
Old 07-14-2013, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by zangx1
Its 90 today just came back from gaassin up

110 race fuel my 61 fueiie loves it got
10 gal
however I will cut it with 93 leaded. I have
tried. All of the octane boosters thru
the years NONE really worked my opinion
Did you try the Octane Booster LEAD SUPREME 130 (now called OCTANE SUPREME 130) ?? Used to be sold/marketed by Kemco Company in Utah.

I would like to know if you tried this product and why you felt it did not work. It is real Tetraethyl Lead in a toluene base. It contains the correct lead scavengers EDC and EDB. It has worked for many others and has a documented/proven success record. I have used it myself and am satisfied....but a mix of Sunoco 114 Leaded and 93 pump gas also works well.

Larry
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Originally Posted by wmf62
"Lucy, you got some splainin to do..."
Bill
Not really. I don't think it'd be appropriate to quote from another forum. But he also insists that all these FI's need 100LL aeroplane gas. I also agree he's very competent, honest and reliable. He just doesn't have a good opinion of the 4360.

The guy down south doesn't want your business either unless you're going to use race gas.

That's why I asked the OP if he was using E 10 gas. That's what I use. That's what you couldn't use.

Go figure.

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Originally Posted by ghostrider20
The NOS octane booster is worthless in all regards.

Mixing fuels as you plan is fine, will mix as well as pouring two buckets of water together.

I am running the factory compression, maybe a tad more and have good results on 92 octane in all but the hottest of days in the summer.

I have and do spike with 100LL avgas. Mixed 50/50 with 92 octane yields 96 octane. 25/75 will yield 94 octane.

- Mark
Umm, the 100LL avgas is rated on an airplane engine as 100 octane by a different method than automobile engines are rated. Is it 100 octane in an automobile engine? Who knows?
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Originally Posted by MikeM
Not really. I don't think it'd be appropriate to quote from another forum. But he also insists that all these FI's need 100LL aeroplane gas. I also agree he's very competent, honest and reliable. He just doesn't have a good opinion of the 4360.

The guy down south doesn't want your business either unless you're going to use race gas.

That's why I asked the OP if he was using E 10 gas. That's what I use. That's what you couldn't use.

Go figure.
Mike
i don't see any 'flaws' in the 4360 unit that don't exist in any other C1 unit, otherwise it is the best & the last of that style. if the spider wasn't 'deadheaded' if would probably perform as well as the C2 units (the same could probably be said about the rest of the C1s too.... )

so i just don't understand the 'beef' he/they might have.
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Originally Posted by mrtexas
Umm, the 100LL avgas is rated on an airplane engine as 100 octane by a different method than automobile engines are rated. Is it 100 octane in an automobile engine? Who knows?
100L is actually 100 MON (Motor Octane Number). The few samples I've seen that were rated by RON (research octane number) were around 103-104.

That would give an AKI of 102ish.

I have no idea why the delta MON/RON is so low compared to car gasoline.
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Originally Posted by wmf62
Mike
i don't see any 'flaws' in the 4360 unit that don't exist in any other C1 unit, otherwise it is the best & the last of that style.
You are thinking of the 7360, which is a nice unit.

The 4360 is the "worst & the first" of the C1 FI units.

Jim
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
100L is actually 100 MON (Motor Octane Number). The few samples I've seen that were rated by RON (research octane number) were around 103-104.

That would give an AKI of 102ish.

I have no idea why the delta MON/RON is so low compared to car gasoline.
My knowledge of avgas is before the low lead stuff. I still think low lead is rated on an aircraft engine with a rich and lean setting not an automobile engine that would be used for MON.

The delta MON/RON is so low because avgas is nearly all iso-octane from the alkylation process with a small amount of butane for volatility. Iso-octane is by definition 100 octane.
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Originally Posted by jim lockwood
You are thinking of the 7360, which is a nice unit.

The 4360 is the "worst & the first" of the C1 FI units.

Jim
You saved me the trouble. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
You saved me the trouble. Thanks.
sorry, i'm embarrassed...
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Originally Posted by jim lockwood
You are thinking of the 7360, which is a nice unit.

The 4360 is the "worst & the first" of the C1 FI units.

Jim
Yep.

But, it COULD be worse---------------it could be one of these!







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Looks like a 58 Poncho unit there Tom..................
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I would expect a '58 Pontiac FI to work pretty well.

Its design benefited from all that was learned in '57, as did the design of the Corvette 4900 unit. And the 4900 '58 unit is a very good unit (as long as you retrofit it with an anti-siphon valve). Too, being under the turkey roaster and bathed in cool-ish incoming air, it isn't as prone to fuel perc as the Corvette units.

What looks to be maddeningly awkward about the Pontiac FI is trying to get access to the ratio lever stop screws when getting the air/fuel ratio dialed in.

Jim

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Originally Posted by jim lockwood
I would expect a '58 Pontiac FI to work pretty well.

Its design benefited from all that was learned in '57, as did the design of the Corvette 4900 unit. And the 4900 '58 unit is a very good unit (as long as you retrofit it with an anti-siphon valve). Too, being under the turkey roaster and bathed in cool-ish incoming air, it isn't as prone to fuel perc as the Corvette units.

What looks to be maddeningly awkward about the Pontiac FI is trying to get access to the ratio lever stop screws when getting the air/fuel ratio dialed in.

Jim
there is one on ebay right now
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