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Old May 12, 2014 | 10:37 AM
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Your car's birthday is April 13, 1962, your 870 block was cast about a year later so possible replacement 327
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Your car's birthday is April 13, 1962, your 870 block was cast about a year later so possible replacement 327
Thanks, guys. I believe the preponderance of the evidence indicates the original engine was replaced, probably by warranty, probably early to middle of 1964. I'm in search of the second owner, who purchased the car on August 4, 1965 in Allen Park, MI, I have a copy of the title. He may have additional knowledge. Thanks again for the assistance.
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Old May 12, 2014 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Jhemp3
Thanks, guys. I believe the preponderance of the evidence indicates the original engine was replaced, probably by warranty, probably early to middle of 1964.
I think you're making a lot of assumptions. There's many different scenarios to explain how a replacement engine ended up in a car at some point in a 52 year period.

Why not post a picture of the pad so we can see if it's an original unstamped and broached surface or (more probably) a decked block indicating that it's an overhauled replacement.
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Old May 12, 2014 | 11:51 AM
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I agree on multiple scenarios, the least likely is a warranty replacement. Those were complete assemblies that were generally stamped with assembly info.

Either way, the original engine is missing. Enjoy the one that is in the car, it does not matter where it came from.
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
I think you're making a lot of assumptions. There's many different scenarios to explain how a replacement engine ended up in a car at some point in a 52 year period.

Why not post a picture of the pad so we can see if it's an original unstamped and broached surface or (more probably) a decked block indicating that it's an overhauled replacement.
No question about the assumptions. I wish this old car could talk.
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We'd need a much closer shot of the pad to make progress.

I'd make getting rid of the plastic fuel filter and rubber fuel lines a priority over anything else. That's a disaster waiting to happen.
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I'd make getting rid of the plastic fuel filter and rubber fuel lines a priority over anything else. That's a disaster waiting to happen.

Really? Well maybe if you mean the plastic filter case, but I've been running mine this way for more than 10 years with no problems. I do check ALL of the rubber hoses on all of my cars once a year just to be safe! The factory has a rubber hose from the steel line on the frame to the pump inlet...........

PS - yes I know my car isn't "matching numbers".....
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The factory has a rubber hose from the steel line on the frame to the pump inlet...........
That is a non pressurized line and won't let gas run all over the motor if it leaks.

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That is a non pressurized line and won't let gas run all over the motor if it leaks.

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True - it would just result in gas and fumes next to a hot exhaust and spark plug wires............

The pressure we're dealing with here after the pump is what - 5 to 7 psi? That's not gonna cause a problem if the hoses are properly maintained.


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The pressure here is what - 5 to 7 psi? That's not gonna cause a problem if the hoses are properly maintained
I would STRONGLY disagree. There is a reason the General does not use rubber hose on the pressure side of the fuel pump. 5-7 psi would spray gas all over the engine when it fails, and it will fail at some point, regardless if it looks ok on inspection. I have seen these fail and the resulting devastation. Just my opinion
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No question about the assumptions. I wish this old car could talk.
Well that pad photo isn't much help. Would need to be thoroughly cleaned and then a close up high resolution photo in strong light to pick up any broach marks. But as has been noted it really doesn't matter as it is a blank pad and cannot be confirmed as original to the car. So it is a period correct 870 block cast about a year after your car's birthday, that's really all you can say about it
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Originally Posted by Velox
I would STRONGLY disagree. There is a reason the General does not use rubber hose on the pressure side of the fuel pump. 5-7 psi would spray gas all over the engine when it fails, and it will fail at some point, regardless if it looks ok on inspection. I have seen these fail and the resulting devastation. Just my opinion
Like I said - that's why I check mine once a year. What would all of you suggest that those of us who have non stock applications do - get custom built steel lines?


LOTS of things can fail if they are not properly inspected and maintained. Factory Holley carbs can leak through the bowl gaskets.


Ever seen high pressure rubber lines on modern fuel injection systems?

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Originally Posted by Velox
Well that pad photo isn't much help. Would need to be thoroughly cleaned and then a close up high resolution photo in strong light to pick up any broach marks. But as has been noted it really doesn't matter as it is a blank pad and cannot be confirmed as original to the car. So it is a period correct 870 block cast about a year after your car's birthday, that's really all you can say about it
My thoughts exactly.
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