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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 11:31 AM
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1964 Convertible, 327-300HP, body off resto.

I installed the steering and noticed that the grease fittings are touching the lower control arms on either side. Is this simply because there's no weight on the frame or is something done wrong?

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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 11:37 AM
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That's my guess. I did the same restoration on my 65, but still had the engine in, and the fittings are lower than yours. Try grabbing a couple of buddies and stand on the front cross member and see if they go down! Nice work by the way!
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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Valp
That's my guess. I did the same restoration on my 65, but still had the engine in, and the fittings are lower than yours. Try grabbing a couple of buddies and stand on the front cross member and see if they go down! Nice work by the way!
I think you will need a Sumo wrestler unless your buddies big heavy weights. Dennis
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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 03:52 PM
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There is something wrong.

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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 04:07 PM
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There is something wrong.

So what do you think it is? Is your motor in the car in this picture? These are all the original parts from the car (minus ball joints and bushings) and were tagged, restored and reinstalled.
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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 04:18 PM
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Looks like something wrong (I know, like duh).

Sorry I'm no help, but your work is beautiful.
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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 05:38 PM
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Looks like your tie rod end is sticking out farther from the rod (area of the rubber grease boot longer?). Where did you get the tie rod ends?

Been many years since I owned a C2 or C3, so what do I know......

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Old Nov 7, 2014 | 06:37 PM
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I bought the complete front end package from Corvette America.
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I think I would give them a call, if someone here on the forum does come up with a better answer.

Good luck, but that is not right (when going over a dip in the road, and the suspension goes to full travel, you don't want a potential bind).

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Cross link just doesn't look right. Too much bend.
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Hard to tell from photos but it appears the tie rod end is in the wrong hole in the steering arm. Without PS it should be in the rear hole on both sides.
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Originally Posted by A-Snake
Hard to tell from photos but it appears the tie rod end is in the wrong hole in the steering arm. Without PS it should be in the rear hole on both sides.
I moved my 66 L79 (without PS) to the front hole for faster steering, and never had an issue.

It should not be that close that it could make contact, and potentially bind. It would not take much A-arm bushing deflection.......

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Originally Posted by Mikey Hawks
There is something wrong.

So what do you think it is? Is your motor in the car in this picture? These are all the original parts from the car (minus ball joints and bushings) and were tagged, restored and reinstalled.
That picture is of a complete running '65.

It looks to me like your tie rod ends are "longer" than mine.

I will measure from the center link surface to the tip of the grease fitting later and post it here.
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Originally Posted by mashinter

It looks to me like your tie rod ends are "longer" than mine.
I think you nailed it.
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Old Nov 8, 2014 | 07:41 AM
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Here is the best picture I have of my 64.
This is a tough one. Are all the steering components new?
Here are my thoughts.
Pitman or Idler arm incorrect length
The bend on the drag link is wrong
Tie rod ends are too big where they attach to the drag link
Control arm shafts are too far back.
My 64 is on my lift and I can take some dimensions for you with pictures this weekend.
I will jack take the weight off the chassis and see if it recreates your condition.
Joe

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Originally Posted by mashinter
I will measure from the center link surface to the tip of the grease fitting later and post it here.
I get 1.916 for the tie rod end length. I measured that from the steering arm top surface to the tip of the grease fitting.

I get 2.583 from the rear surface of the center link to the tip of the grease fitting.
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Thanks to all who answered so far. This morning I removed the tie rod tubes and the ends. It appears that the left hand threaded ends ARE bigger than the right hand (by about .238 or approx. 15/64" when measured from the tip of the threads to the opening of the ball joint housing), but looking at the pictures you guys posted, my tie rod ends look much heavier (fatter) at the ball joint ends. Could there be a difference between power and non power steering? I have non power and that's what I ordered.

I spoke to Corvette America this morning and they believe the ends are correct according to the numbers in their book. I'm going to call back now and explain the difference. Maybe I need to look at another vendor for the tie rod ends?


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[QUOTE=Mikey Hawks;1588218501Maybe I need to look at another vendor for the tie rod ends?[/QUOTE]

Still got the originals?

If the ball stud isn't loose in the socket, I would use those.
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Tossed everything a while back. Going to return these to Corvette America since they're obviously two different sizes. Will post again when I get replacements. Thank you all for your thoughts and time.
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Congrats on finding the problem. Your excellent pictures really helped.

Corvette America has got a real problem there, and I doubt that the tie rod ends were different for power steering cars.

I would keep the incorrect tie rod ends, untill you get new replacements from elsewhere (to compare them with).

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