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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 11:43 AM
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I'm doing a p/s conversion on my 66 BB using the Borgeson box and pump and the stock mounting brackets. I finally have it back together and so I added p/s fluid to the pump. I have a leak before I even got to start it! My question is: Do the 2 threaded studs that mount the pump to the bracket actually penetrate into the reservoir? The supply and return fittings are not leaking. Any help would be appreciated.
One other thing hit me. If I overfilled it, would the excess be coming out of the fill neck once the cap is on?
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No, those studs don't penetrate the reservoir itself. Can you see where the fluid is actually leaking from? If it was coming from the cap you should be able to see it.

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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 01:13 PM
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No, those studs don't penetrate the reservoir itself. Can you see where the fluid is actually leaking from? If it was coming from the cap you should be able to see it.

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While waiting for a response, I just decided to tear it all out of there again. The stud that goes into the adjustment slot in the bracket is where it was leaking. I have some more work to do to see if the other one was leaking also.
What I noticed is there is a round rubber gasket that appears to seal around the threaded hole where the stud screws into the case. It was bunched in one small section, so it was not doing any sealing. The other issue was that the stud was not bottomed in the hole.

So there are two potential issues. I'm thinking it's the gasket, but I'm open to any comments. It looks like to me that the gasket was a little too big for the hole.
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 01:49 PM
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Are you are talking about the studs on the back of the pump? If you are, they obviously penetrate the reservoir. They go through the reservoir into the pump body. On my pump there is an "O" ring between the reservoir and the pump body.
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 05:44 PM
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Are you are talking about the studs on the back of the pump? If you are, they obviously penetrate the reservoir. They go through the reservoir into the pump body. On my pump there is an "O" ring between the reservoir and the pump body.
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Mine has more of a gasket that is supposed to sit between the case and the threaded hole that the stud goes into. Yes, in the back of the case. It was leaking around that gasket. I ended up calling Summit Racing and getting approval to return the pump. I'm still wondering whether the studs should be screwed in until they bottom out in the hole.
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Originally Posted by Jim_C
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Are you are talking about the studs on the back of the pump? If you are, they obviously penetrate the reservoir. They go through the reservoir into the pump body. On my pump there is an "O" ring between the reservoir and the pump body.
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Should be the correct information as GM used the same pump in many applications just by replacing the can or reservoir
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Originally Posted by Gloryhog
Mine has more of a gasket that is supposed to sit between the case and the threaded hole that the stud goes into. Yes, in the back of the case. It was leaking around that gasket. I ended up calling Summit Racing and getting approval to return the pump. I'm still wondering whether the studs should be screwed in until they bottom out in the hole.
I'm confused when you say the stud should be screwed in until they bottom out in the hole. It isn't a stud. This is what it looks like:



The short end into the pump and compresses the O ring.
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Old Oct 3, 2015 | 10:22 PM
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I'm confused when you say the stud should be screwed in until they bottom out in the hole. It isn't a stud. This is what it looks like:



The short end into the pump and compresses the O ring.
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Well, I've already stated that I don't have an o ring. My stud is not like the picture of yours. It is a stud with a hollow end for an Allen wrench and a nut meant to tighten against the adjustment slot in the bracket. It looks like your nut is welded to the stud. Mine is not. A little different design.
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Originally Posted by Gloryhog
Well, I've already stated that I don't have an o ring. My stud is not like the picture of yours. It is a stud with a hollow end for an Allen wrench and a nut meant to tighten against the adjustment slot in the bracket. It looks like your nut is welded to the stud. Mine is not. A little different design.
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I must have misunderstood what you are asking. We're talking about two completely different things. Sorry. Hope someone else can help.
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Originally Posted by Gloryhog
I'm doing a p/s conversion on my 66 BB using the Borgeson box and pump and the stock mounting brackets. I finally have it back together and so I added p/s fluid to the pump. I have a leak before I even got to start it! My question is: Do the 2 threaded studs that mount the pump to the bracket actually penetrate into the reservoir? The supply and return fittings are not leaking. Any help would be appreciated.
One other thing hit me. If I overfilled it, would the excess be coming out of the fill neck once the cap is on?
Yes, as others have said there are "O-Rings" of a sort on these studs. This is what the rebuild kit contains. Because the pump was used on a variety of GM vehicles over the years, the kit will contain some extra seals/O-rings you may not need.

If you check out this link, it will give you a step-by-step on how to rebuild the pump. More importantly in your case how the pump/tank are sealed to one another. It is not a difficult task.
http://www.corvette-restoration.com/...mp_rebuild.htm

At the very least you should replace the large O-ring that seals the front of the pump to the tank and the ones on the back side of the pump to the tank. Follow the steps and you will see what you have to do.

Good luck... GUSTO
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Old Oct 4, 2015 | 02:42 PM
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The O.P. stated he was using the Borgeson pump, which may have a different set up than the stock one. Instead of the hassle of returning the pump I would contact Borgeson and find out what parts are needed to correct the leaking pump.




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Originally Posted by buns
The O.P. stated he was using the Borgeson pump, which may have a different set up than the stock one. Instead of the hassle of returning the pump I would contact Borgeson and find out what parts are needed to correct the leaking pump.
Pretty much the same pump Chevrolet used on the C2-C3 Corvettes. This is what it looks like with the tank removed. (from the link above)

The studs and screw-in-fitting (high pressure fitting on the pump) screw into the pump through the backside of the tank and hold the tank on. The seals/o-rings fit between the pump and tank so that when the studs and screw-in-fitting are installed they seal the tank to the pump. Care must be used when installing the tank to be sure they do not fall out of position as you put the tank on the pump.

The major variation on these pumps (Jeeps used the Saginaw pump as well for a number of years) is the tank. The return pipe on the back of the tank varies on a number of applications to allow the hoses to clear different suspension pieces. Some come off at 90 degrees and others straight off and a variety of in between angles.

Also on some the filler pipe is canted forward from vertical for clearance to allow room to add fluid and remove the cap/dipstick. Tanks are pretty easily interchanged for the most part. Just be sure to use new O-rings and seals if you do.

Good luck... GUSTO
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