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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 08:22 PM
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I recently purchased a 1967 Corvette. I received the Original Window Sticker, Original Corvette Order Copy and Original Protect-O-Plate still attached to the Warranty Booklet. The vin is 194677S119613.

All numbers relate to the car and confirm its manufacture as an L71--"Big Block". The car did NOT come with Factory Side pipes.

The trim tag shows the Body as, "A-3765".

Can this be correct?

Thanks for any help.

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Well your not going to like where this is going to go. In short I hope you like your car. It's not what you think.
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Originally Posted by rickcarson8500
I recently purchased a 1967 Corvette. I received the Original Window Sticker, Original Corvette Order Copy and Original Protect-O-Plate still attached to the Warranty Booklet. The vin is 194677S119613.

All numbers relate to the car and confirm its manufacture as an L71--"Big Block".

The trim tag shows the Body as, "A-3765". The car did NOT come with Factory Side pipes.

Can this be correct?

Thanks for any help.
No, it can't. That's an A.O. Smith body, and there were no A.O. Smith-bodied big-blocks built in 1967.
Old Jan 25, 2016 | 08:28 PM
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Well your not going to like where this is going to go. In short I hope you like your car. It's not what you think.
I like the car so what's up?
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Originally Posted by rickcarson8500
I like the car so what's up?
It's not a real BB car.
Old Jan 25, 2016 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rickcarson8500
I like the car so what's up?
If you like the car, nothing else really matters.
What's up is you bought a made up 67 L71, which is not really any big thing, because many others have as well.
More than likely, all the associated paperwork you got with the car is also made up too, which is very common with 67 L71 cars. They are one of the most re-created cars in the classic corvette hobby.
Don't worry about any of the above though, because if you like the car that is all that really matters.
Happy corvetting!
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Originally Posted by 65hihp
If you like the car, nothing else really matters.
What's up is you bought a made up 67 L71, which is not really any big thing, because many others have as well.
More than likely, all the associated paperwork you got with the car is also made up too, which is very common with 67 L71 cars. They are one of the most re-created cars in the classic corvette hobby.
Don't worry about any of the above though, because if you like the car that is all that really matters.
Happy corvetting!
Unless he over payed and got fooled. Then that could be a legal mater. And I for one will not help out
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I like the car so what's up?
There's nothing wrong with a clone car, if you pay a clone car price. I really hope you didn't pay for a documented original L-71.
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 08:51 PM
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Unless he over payed and got fooled. Then that could be a legal mater. And I for one will not help out
Old Jan 25, 2016 | 08:54 PM
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At that price he got a ok deal. But I would put all those fake docs in a big fire. Then drive the wheels off the car
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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
At that price he got a ok deal. But I would put all those fake docs in a big fire. Then drive the wheels off the car
I'm surely no document examiner; but, the docs appear to be real!

Happy to share if you'll provide an email address.
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Originally Posted by rickcarson8500
I'm surely no document examiner; but, the docs appear to be real!

Happy to share if you'll provide an email address.
They are fake. PERIOD.
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Originally Posted by JohnZ
No, it can't. That's an A.O. Smith body, and there were no A.O. Smith-bodied big-blocks built in 1967.
Well not with a late VIN like 19613 anyway. I thought B-J had recently sold a verified (by Roy Sinor) very early VIN '67 A O Smith bodied 427?
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Originally Posted by tuxnharley
Well not with a late VIN like 19613 anyway. I thought B-J had recently sold a verified (by Roy Sinor) very early VIN '67 A O Smith bodied 427?
After 49 years that's the only one that surfaced
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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
After 49 years that's the only one that surfaced
Again, if you would kindly supply me with your email address, I will send several pictures to you of the vin tag, trim tag, Protect-O-Plate still attached to the Original Warranty Book, Original Window Sticker and other Original docs.

I would appreciate you looking at these (objectively) and then rendering an opinion.

I have several hundred, if not at least a thousand, original invoices, checks, credit card invoices, manuals, etc. Many, going back more than 30 years continue to show the same vin and/or trim numbers!
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Originally Posted by rickcarson8500
.... going back more than 30 years continue to show the same vin and/or trim numbers!
Car photos can be seen here http://www.ebay.com/itm/Flawless-Convertible-Sting-Ray-w-L71-Big-Block-Concours-Complete-Restoration-/281919376934?rmvSB=true and Trim Tag appears real, and that's about it. Would be nice to put the front crossed-flags emblem back on, and reposition the pass wiper to be above the driver wiper so you don't strip the wiper transmission (maybe all that fixed by now, eBay ad is old). Many many things to fix if you want car to appear correct, but none of that will change that it is an AO Smith car and left St.Louis with a 327 engine for sure. Read above post by JohnZ, that is gospel, he was there back then and knows what is what
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You probably want to get in touch with a professional... An above post mentioned Roy Sinor, but I am sure that there are others.

You'll have to forgive the bluntness offered here some times, but its because this scenario happens a lot.

There are people whose day job is faking corvette documents.... and they (collectively) have been doing it now for decades. To the untrained eye, they might look legit, but there are key indicators that, the experts, can identify pretty quickly.

Its always hardest to get spun up after you drop your money on a car.... Usually, you can get an expert to check out a car BEFORE you purchase for a couple hundred bucks.

Water under the bridge though....

The general opinion is that the A O Smith factory lacked some ability to produce the Big Block car... There is some debate about a small number a VERY EARLY big blocks being produced there before GM gave up on the idea and move ALL big block production to the Other factory... St Louis.

On the trim tag from the Blue 67 posted above, the top right number is A-3765, which, I think, translates to the 3, 765 body that A O Smith Produced for the 67 model year corvette.

There are two glaring problems here. IF AOSmith made a Big Block, to even be considered, it would have to have a Low number after the A... probably a 2 or low 3 digit number. Your number is almost to 4 thousand... so we KNOW it couldn't be a Real, off the factory floor BB because they were not making them at that time there.

When one piece of documentation is KNOWN to be wrong, it throws all the rest into question as well.

I'd think that the current market value for a NOM Big Block Clone done well would be 70ish...

You might want to seek a Corvette Professional and Legal council if you feel you have been misled by the seller.

Best of luck

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I just googled the name on POP. He still lives in Burbank. Start there. I am sure the folder that came with the car would have his number.

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I am by means no expert when it comes to paper work. But with the info given I do not need to see it to tell you it's fake. Bottom line is no AO Smith 67 built a BB car after the first week of production.
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At that price he got a ok deal. But I would put all those fake docs in a big fire. Then drive the wheels off the car
Except that those documents may need to be entered into evidence in the case of any legal actions. However, most of the fakers are pretty good at using weasel words to avoid legal responsibility. It is a good-looking car. I'll leave it to you guys to debate the price point for an elaborate clone.



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