Reproduction dated glass
02-08-2017, 10:52 AM
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Reproduction dated glass
You replace the windshield purchasing a replacement " date coded " piece of glass for judging....... Is this considered original in the eyes of the judging world ? Does the false date add value, appease judges, or perfection in the eyes of the owner ?
Many condemn restamped engine blocks even though the block is correct in every other way. How can five plus decade new non original manufacturer product be considered " correct " because a company adds a false date ? Who fools who in this process ?
A person steals twenty dollars, another steals a thousand dollars. Are they both thieves or is the lesser crime considered normal behavior ?
Not being sarcastic , arrogant , or stepping on toes, I am looking for the justification of purists desiring the perfect piece of paper declaring their object is of the highest standard. If judges inspect air cleaner studs and wing nuts are these parts considered justification for a total score ?
I believe NCRS dos a great job of diseminating accurate truthful restoration information. Its original once as many believe. The judgement aspect must be somewhat forgiving for owners to reach the highest standards.
Many condemn restamped engine blocks even though the block is correct in every other way. How can five plus decade new non original manufacturer product be considered " correct " because a company adds a false date ? Who fools who in this process ?
A person steals twenty dollars, another steals a thousand dollars. Are they both thieves or is the lesser crime considered normal behavior ?
Not being sarcastic , arrogant , or stepping on toes, I am looking for the justification of purists desiring the perfect piece of paper declaring their object is of the highest standard. If judges inspect air cleaner studs and wing nuts are these parts considered justification for a total score ?
I believe NCRS dos a great job of diseminating accurate truthful restoration information. Its original once as many believe. The judgement aspect must be somewhat forgiving for owners to reach the highest standards.
02-08-2017, 11:03 AM
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Repro glass will not get you full originality points. IIRC the repro glass, even if properly date coded has a DOT logo on it somewhere, others will correct me if I'm wrong...
As to the other editorializing there are only about 50,000 threads on here discussing the topic to death and beyond...
As to the other editorializing there are only about 50,000 threads on here discussing the topic to death and beyond...
02-08-2017, 11:34 AM
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You replace the windshield purchasing a replacement " date coded " piece of glass for judging....... Is this considered original in the eyes of the judging world ? Does the false date add value, appease judges, or perfection in the eyes of the owner ?
Many condemn restamped engine blocks even though the block is correct in every other way. How can five plus decade new non original manufacturer product be considered " correct " because a company adds a false date ? Who fools who in this process ?
A person steals twenty dollars, another steals a thousand dollars. Are they both thieves or is the lesser crime considered normal behavior ?
Not being sarcastic , arrogant , or stepping on toes, I am looking for the justification of purists desiring the perfect piece of paper declaring their object is of the highest standard. If judges inspect air cleaner studs and wing nuts are these parts considered justification for a total score ?
I believe NCRS dos a great job of diseminating accurate truthful restoration information. Its original once as many believe. The judgement aspect must be somewhat forgiving for owners to reach the highest standards.
Many condemn restamped engine blocks even though the block is correct in every other way. How can five plus decade new non original manufacturer product be considered " correct " because a company adds a false date ? Who fools who in this process ?
A person steals twenty dollars, another steals a thousand dollars. Are they both thieves or is the lesser crime considered normal behavior ?
Not being sarcastic , arrogant , or stepping on toes, I am looking for the justification of purists desiring the perfect piece of paper declaring their object is of the highest standard. If judges inspect air cleaner studs and wing nuts are these parts considered justification for a total score ?
I believe NCRS dos a great job of diseminating accurate truthful restoration information. Its original once as many believe. The judgement aspect must be somewhat forgiving for owners to reach the highest standards.
I've never met a single person ever who described a restoration as "original."
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02-08-2017, 11:54 AM
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Seems to me that people continue to miss or ignore the R in NCRS. After 50+ years, it's unusual for a vintage car to be completely original down to every last nut and bolt, but not so much restored to original condition or configuration. In the case of windshield glass, I believe the dot markings may get covered by the seal. Someone else may have the definitive answer on this.
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02-08-2017, 12:14 PM
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Seems to me that people continue to miss or ignore the R in NCRS. After 50+ years, it's unusual for a vintage car to be completely original down to every last nut and bolt, but not so much restored to original condition or configuration. In the case of windshield glass, I believe the dot markings may get covered by the seal. Someone else may have the definitive answer on this.
In the terms of glass the configuration of the tint, and logo will fail everytime
02-08-2017, 12:31 PM
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You replace the windshield purchasing a replacement " date coded " piece of glass for judging....... Is this considered original in the eyes of the judging world ? Does the false date add value, appease judges, or perfection in the eyes of the owner ?
Many condemn restamped engine blocks even though the block is correct in every other way. How can five plus decade new non original manufacturer product be considered " correct " because a company adds a false date ? Who fools who in this process ?
A person steals twenty dollars, another steals a thousand dollars. Are they both thieves or is the lesser crime considered normal behavior ?
Not being sarcastic , arrogant , or stepping on toes, I am looking for the justification of purists desiring the perfect piece of paper declaring their object is of the highest standard. If judges inspect air cleaner studs and wing nuts are these parts considered justification for a total score ?
I believe NCRS dos a great job of diseminating accurate truthful restoration information. Its original once as many believe. The judgement aspect must be somewhat forgiving for owners to reach the highest standards.
Many condemn restamped engine blocks even though the block is correct in every other way. How can five plus decade new non original manufacturer product be considered " correct " because a company adds a false date ? Who fools who in this process ?
A person steals twenty dollars, another steals a thousand dollars. Are they both thieves or is the lesser crime considered normal behavior ?
Not being sarcastic , arrogant , or stepping on toes, I am looking for the justification of purists desiring the perfect piece of paper declaring their object is of the highest standard. If judges inspect air cleaner studs and wing nuts are these parts considered justification for a total score ?
I believe NCRS dos a great job of diseminating accurate truthful restoration information. Its original once as many believe. The judgement aspect must be somewhat forgiving for owners to reach the highest standards.
02-08-2017, 12:40 PM
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02-08-2017, 12:44 PM
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As to the other editorializing there are only about 50,000 threads on here discussing the topic to death and beyond...[/QUOTE]
I don't down grade your posts. Please respect mine.
I have a valid point worth consideration. In two hours 120 plus readers read with interest, one way or another. I ask a lot of questions to gain knowledge. The internet has a tremendous volume of information. I form opinions based on common sense responses. Some ( I ) don't have vast knowledge involved in the hobby and ask dumb questions if there are such inquisitions. From this point forward I will read and not respond as my level of comprehension is substandard.... apparently.
I don't down grade your posts. Please respect mine.
I have a valid point worth consideration. In two hours 120 plus readers read with interest, one way or another. I ask a lot of questions to gain knowledge. The internet has a tremendous volume of information. I form opinions based on common sense responses. Some ( I ) don't have vast knowledge involved in the hobby and ask dumb questions if there are such inquisitions. From this point forward I will read and not respond as my level of comprehension is substandard.... apparently.
02-08-2017, 12:57 PM
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02-08-2017, 01:10 PM
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I have a valid point worth consideration. In two hours 120 plus readers read with interest, one way or another. I ask a lot of questions to gain knowledge. The internet has a tremendous volume of information. I form opinions based on common sense responses. Some ( I ) don't have vast knowledge involved in the hobby and ask dumb questions if there are such inquisitions. From this point forward I will read and not respond as my level of comprehension is substandard.... apparently.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't downgrading anything. It's simply a fact that the issues you cite have been covered repeatedly on here as well as in the NCRS Judging Reference Guide. Post whatever you like -- I do.
02-08-2017, 01:43 PM
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I bought a correctly dated re-pro and I have not gone to an NCRS event with my car yet. Even if I receive a deduction, it's no biggie, I just like to have the correct date on the glass. I knew this going in.
02-08-2017, 05:46 PM
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From the rumor mill: I heard that someone told Pilkington that the tint band was incorrect at Bloomington recently and that they were not aware of it. A friend visited them at SEMA this last fall and they said they have or were in the process of making corrections to make the tint band as it was originally. I know the SEMA part for a fact. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I need a new windshield but it's not urgent. When I order one, I am interested in the date and the tint band. My current windshield is tinted correctly but it was replaced early on and the dates and manufacturer are not correct for factory glass.