[C2] Newbie seeking advice on C2 as daily driver
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As I mentioned in a prior post I drive my 60 almost every day as an ordinary car.
I have had it 37 years and have found it to be very reliable.
I didn't realize that the c2's were that bad compared to the c1's.
You think we pay crazy prices to have our vettes repaired, take a late model high end car, ie Cadillac, Lincoln, BMW, MB etc. , out of warranty, and have a complicated electronic problem repaired, that repair bill makes our vette's repair bill look like chump change. I have the receipts to prove it.
Bill
I have had it 37 years and have found it to be very reliable.
I didn't realize that the c2's were that bad compared to the c1's.
You think we pay crazy prices to have our vettes repaired, take a late model high end car, ie Cadillac, Lincoln, BMW, MB etc. , out of warranty, and have a complicated electronic problem repaired, that repair bill makes our vette's repair bill look like chump change. I have the receipts to prove it.
Bill
Plus you have everything else that goes along with driving a collectable every day.
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I think the best option for the op would be to find a restomod c2 with late model drivetrain and running gear w a/c , auto and enjoy it .
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My RestoMod in my humble opinion is the best of both worlds.
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I agree , mine i guess could be regarded as a restomod due to the fact that i upgraded to power steering and a 5 spd , but after a week of turning the nonpower steering wheel i was done . The wife wanted to go with an automatic so she could drive it too but I sadly had to tell her they arent available for these cars yet heh heh .
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The stop and go traffic of commuting would be my biggest concern. I drove my '66 4-speed in Washington DC area traffic for years, and did not have overheating problems (non-AC car). However, even in my 20's, my leg was sore after a 40 minute stint of creep-along commute.
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My $.02
There is no rule that says you have to start from jump street as a daily driver...
Get involved with your local club and meet folks that have them. They may even let you drive it (I used to let folks drive mine... no biggie to me).
When you find one you like.. buy it.
Keep it for a year with Antique Vehicle insurance. Drive it "occasionally" and work the bugs out. YOU WILL FIND THINGS THAT NEED work, replacing, restoring.... that is just part of the game with these cars.
At the end of the year or time frame you set up, if you want to go "Daily Driver", then change your insurance and have at it. By then you should know your car pretty well, and have a REALLY good idea of what you are getting into.
If it works out like you planned..... Viola'!
If not, then you can keep it as a "historic vehicle" and keep on keepin' on as a weekend car.
If you hate it, I am pretty sure you could get out of it what you have into it.
I bought one "To Drive".... but I found out I enjoyed tinkering with it, and learning about working on the car as much as I did driving it - Surprise!.
While its your "weekend car", you can learn to fix 90% of the things that come up yourself. Some things you can farm out if you don't want to tackle them, but I'd never really turned a wrench before and I did a ton of stuff to my car... Pretty much with the help of this forum and youtube videos.
You will have a ton of fun, make new friends, and learn a lot about cars, corvettes, and yourself on this journey.
That Red 65 you are looking at in the classifieds would be perfect.
When you find a car you are interested in, find someone on the forum to go take a look at it for you. Somebody experienced with C2s will know what to look for. No car is perfect, but if the car doesn't have major problems with Frame/Birdcage rust, and everything else seems sorted... why not?
There is no rule that says you have to start from jump street as a daily driver...
Get involved with your local club and meet folks that have them. They may even let you drive it (I used to let folks drive mine... no biggie to me).
When you find one you like.. buy it.
Keep it for a year with Antique Vehicle insurance. Drive it "occasionally" and work the bugs out. YOU WILL FIND THINGS THAT NEED work, replacing, restoring.... that is just part of the game with these cars.
At the end of the year or time frame you set up, if you want to go "Daily Driver", then change your insurance and have at it. By then you should know your car pretty well, and have a REALLY good idea of what you are getting into.
If it works out like you planned..... Viola'!
If not, then you can keep it as a "historic vehicle" and keep on keepin' on as a weekend car.
If you hate it, I am pretty sure you could get out of it what you have into it.
I bought one "To Drive".... but I found out I enjoyed tinkering with it, and learning about working on the car as much as I did driving it - Surprise!.
While its your "weekend car", you can learn to fix 90% of the things that come up yourself. Some things you can farm out if you don't want to tackle them, but I'd never really turned a wrench before and I did a ton of stuff to my car... Pretty much with the help of this forum and youtube videos.
You will have a ton of fun, make new friends, and learn a lot about cars, corvettes, and yourself on this journey.
That Red 65 you are looking at in the classifieds would be perfect.
When you find a car you are interested in, find someone on the forum to go take a look at it for you. Somebody experienced with C2s will know what to look for. No car is perfect, but if the car doesn't have major problems with Frame/Birdcage rust, and everything else seems sorted... why not?
Lou
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My daily drive is ~50 minutes each way, straight roads with about 1/3 of that in traffic. It wouldn't take more than a few days and I'd want my AC, luxurious seat, cruise control, power everything, back. But the worst part would be ruining the "specialness" of those Saturday evening drives in the hills or Sunday cruises. We have the vette to make our date nights more romantic, to escape the mundane. For me it wouldn't be about reliability, it's about protecting that joy of it not being my routine.
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It's nearly impossible to find anyone you can to trust to work on these old cars anymore. My neighbor is the service manager for a local Honda Dealer and has an old Chevelle he plays with and when I started rebuilding my GTX transmission I flagged him down to ask if he could recommend a transmission parts house that was well stocked. He kind of looked at me with a deer in the headlights glazed look and said gee, he didn't know of any. They don't do any transmission work except pull and replace. I asked if he had any old timers down there that might suggest one - and he said no, he doubted any of his service technicians knew the first thing about the insides of a transmission. He said they would be lost if someone brought an old car to them.
Even if he learns to work on it, he's still going to eventually be run over and killed by some idiot in a 6,000 lb Suburban texting or on medical marijuana unless it's stolen from his workplace or Walmart first.
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I haven't seen in any post where the OP said he could perform the work of repairing or maintaining a C2 himself - he said he had to look up the term fuel percolation. If you are a fairly accomplished mechanic and understand old cars and how they work and are willing to work on electrical systems, carbs, distributors, suspension systems, brakes, do your own troubleshooting, - yeah, that could makes a big difference.
It's nearly impossible to find anyone you can to trust to work on these old cars anymore. My neighbor is the service manager for a local Honda Dealer and has an old Chevelle he plays with and when I started rebuilding my GTX transmission I flagged him down to ask if he could recommend a transmission parts house that was well stocked. He kind of looked at me with a deer in the headlights glazed look and said gee, he didn't know of any. They don't do any transmission work except pull and replace. I asked if he had any old timers down there that might suggest one - and he said no, he doubted any of his service technicians knew the first thing about the insides of a transmission. He said they would be lost if someone brought an old car to them.
Even if he learns to work on it, he's still going to eventually be run over and killed by some idiot in a 6,000 lb Suburban texting or on medical marijuana unless it's stolen from his workplace or Walmart first.
It's nearly impossible to find anyone you can to trust to work on these old cars anymore. My neighbor is the service manager for a local Honda Dealer and has an old Chevelle he plays with and when I started rebuilding my GTX transmission I flagged him down to ask if he could recommend a transmission parts house that was well stocked. He kind of looked at me with a deer in the headlights glazed look and said gee, he didn't know of any. They don't do any transmission work except pull and replace. I asked if he had any old timers down there that might suggest one - and he said no, he doubted any of his service technicians knew the first thing about the insides of a transmission. He said they would be lost if someone brought an old car to them.
Even if he learns to work on it, he's still going to eventually be run over and killed by some idiot in a 6,000 lb Suburban texting or on medical marijuana unless it's stolen from his workplace or Walmart first.
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[I have a little story you might find interesting.
Back in the 1980's when I first caught the Corvette 'fever' I had every intention of replacing my '75 Camaro daily driver with a C2. But things didn't quite work out that way.
After a diligent search over many months I finally found a ’65 coupe that I fell in love with – Rally Red, black leather, 327-365hp L-76 engine, 4-speed, 3.70 posi axle, side pipes, knock-offs, teakwood wheel, with 43k original miles. This car was in excellent condition and was mechanically sound.
In order to raise the money needed for the Corvette, I sold my Camaro and bought a ’72 Chevy Nova as a temporary beater to drive while I found the C2 of my dreams. My plan was to give the Nova to my girlfriend once I found a Vette to replace it as my daily driver.
So far so good. I was beaming from the joy of seeing my new acquisition each time I went to drive it. I quickly realized that this wasn’t as soporific a ride as my old Camaro – the Vette had manual transmission, steering and brakes. This car was meant to be DRIVEN. However, its lack of power steering made it a bit of a chore to maneuver into tight parking spots. No big deal. But, commuting daily in stop & go traffic soon got to be chore with clutching to change gears constantly. My left leg got stronger in a hurry thanks to the stiff clutch in that car.
Also, I found its solid-lifter engine with 11:1 compression to be somewhat temperamental. Finding gas with enough octane wasn’t easy, as only one gas station brand in my area carried 94 octane fuel. Even with this gas the engine would detonate under load unless I selected a low enough gear to keep the revs up. I mostly solved this by retarding the ignition slightly and using octane booster, but keeping a supply of booster in the car to add at each fill-up became a nuisance.
As mentioned, the high performance engine also carried another liability in stop & go traffic. The torque curve of the L76 engine at low engine speeds was poor. I would have to downshift constantly to ensure the engine would not ‘ping’, and to get enough pull for a quick get-away. Oh, above 3,500 rpm this car was white-knuckle fun! But rarely could I use this hi-performance potential, as most of the time I was stuck in commuter traffic.
The last annoyance were those side pipes. They look devastatingly good – and have a rumbling sound at idle that means business. But, day after day of driving with that droning sound right behind the doors got a bit old. And, during longer highway runs, the noise was loud enough to give me ringing in the ears. Turning up the stock AM/FM radio wasn’t much help – I could hardly hear it over the roar of the exhaust!
The final straw came a few months into my C2 daily driving experiment. One night I drove downtown to join some friends for a meal. You can imagine my chagrin when I came out to find the passenger side of the car was keyed! I took this as a sign that my red Corvette was simply too nice a car to rely on for daily driving. If I wanted to keep it in the good condition it was then I'd have to relieve it of daily driving duties. Winter was coming and I didn’t relish battling rain and possibly snow (I live in Vancouver BC which is rather wetter than sunny California). So, I decided that I’d keep the C2 as my ‘other car’ and enjoy it during weekends and for special pleasure drives. It was the right decision.
Echoing what others here have said, here’s what I’d advise if you’re considering a C2 as a daily driver:
All this is not to discourage you from using a C2 as your daily driver, especially in the mild climate of So-Cal. If you choose your C2 wisely then it could be a feasible and rewarding move.
P.S. I hated that ’72 Nova. Although it had a 307 engine, it was a total dog - it couldn’t pull a hobo off your sister! So I gave it to the girlfriend, as promised, and sought another vehicle for daily use. I wanted something interesting, distinctive, reliable, and better suited to daily use. I came across a ’65 Buick Riviera which I bought on a lark because of its looks and a review of it I’d read in a collector car magazine. The Riv fitted the bill nicely – power everything, including transmission. It had ample performance with its 425 cu. in. engine, and was reliable too. I drove that car daily for ten years until I got married and moved to the suburbs! I retired that car and still have it today.
Back in the 1980's when I first caught the Corvette 'fever' I had every intention of replacing my '75 Camaro daily driver with a C2. But things didn't quite work out that way.
After a diligent search over many months I finally found a ’65 coupe that I fell in love with – Rally Red, black leather, 327-365hp L-76 engine, 4-speed, 3.70 posi axle, side pipes, knock-offs, teakwood wheel, with 43k original miles. This car was in excellent condition and was mechanically sound.
In order to raise the money needed for the Corvette, I sold my Camaro and bought a ’72 Chevy Nova as a temporary beater to drive while I found the C2 of my dreams. My plan was to give the Nova to my girlfriend once I found a Vette to replace it as my daily driver.
So far so good. I was beaming from the joy of seeing my new acquisition each time I went to drive it. I quickly realized that this wasn’t as soporific a ride as my old Camaro – the Vette had manual transmission, steering and brakes. This car was meant to be DRIVEN. However, its lack of power steering made it a bit of a chore to maneuver into tight parking spots. No big deal. But, commuting daily in stop & go traffic soon got to be chore with clutching to change gears constantly. My left leg got stronger in a hurry thanks to the stiff clutch in that car.
Also, I found its solid-lifter engine with 11:1 compression to be somewhat temperamental. Finding gas with enough octane wasn’t easy, as only one gas station brand in my area carried 94 octane fuel. Even with this gas the engine would detonate under load unless I selected a low enough gear to keep the revs up. I mostly solved this by retarding the ignition slightly and using octane booster, but keeping a supply of booster in the car to add at each fill-up became a nuisance.
As mentioned, the high performance engine also carried another liability in stop & go traffic. The torque curve of the L76 engine at low engine speeds was poor. I would have to downshift constantly to ensure the engine would not ‘ping’, and to get enough pull for a quick get-away. Oh, above 3,500 rpm this car was white-knuckle fun! But rarely could I use this hi-performance potential, as most of the time I was stuck in commuter traffic.
The last annoyance were those side pipes. They look devastatingly good – and have a rumbling sound at idle that means business. But, day after day of driving with that droning sound right behind the doors got a bit old. And, during longer highway runs, the noise was loud enough to give me ringing in the ears. Turning up the stock AM/FM radio wasn’t much help – I could hardly hear it over the roar of the exhaust!
The final straw came a few months into my C2 daily driving experiment. One night I drove downtown to join some friends for a meal. You can imagine my chagrin when I came out to find the passenger side of the car was keyed! I took this as a sign that my red Corvette was simply too nice a car to rely on for daily driving. If I wanted to keep it in the good condition it was then I'd have to relieve it of daily driving duties. Winter was coming and I didn’t relish battling rain and possibly snow (I live in Vancouver BC which is rather wetter than sunny California). So, I decided that I’d keep the C2 as my ‘other car’ and enjoy it during weekends and for special pleasure drives. It was the right decision.
Echoing what others here have said, here’s what I’d advise if you’re considering a C2 as a daily driver:
- Get one with a base motor, hydraulic-cam small block engine (250 or 300hp). These engines have plenty of torque low down to move the car briskly away from stoplights and are more responsive at low speeds when you may have to make a quick maneuver. Forget about big-block cars – these are more expensive, will pass anything (but a gas station!) and are prone to over-heating issues.
- Base engine cars usually have a 3.36 rear end ratio – a good compromise between off-the-line performance and economical highway cruising. Also, base engines have lower compression (10:1 vs 11:1) that the higher performance (i.e. 350 or 365 hp) versions, so you should be able to tune it to run on pump gas without the need for octane boosting additives.
- Your best bet is to find a C2 with automatic transmission. C2’s only came stock with a 2-speed Powerglide, a generally simple and reliable transmission. You may find an automatic C2 that has been converted to a 3 or 4-speed automatic. That’s even better for performance and economy, especially if it has an overdrive trans. You’ll quickly tire of clutching constantly in low speed traffic, so the auto is the way to go for a daily driving car.
- Finally, you’ll find that a C2 with power brakes and power steering will be easier to live with. Ideally, you’ll also find one with air conditioning, but note that factory A/C cars are relatively rare. Reliable aftermarket systems can be added to a C2 and are much welcomed in hot weather, especially if you’re driving a coupe.
All this is not to discourage you from using a C2 as your daily driver, especially in the mild climate of So-Cal. If you choose your C2 wisely then it could be a feasible and rewarding move.
P.S. I hated that ’72 Nova. Although it had a 307 engine, it was a total dog - it couldn’t pull a hobo off your sister! So I gave it to the girlfriend, as promised, and sought another vehicle for daily use. I wanted something interesting, distinctive, reliable, and better suited to daily use. I came across a ’65 Buick Riviera which I bought on a lark because of its looks and a review of it I’d read in a collector car magazine. The Riv fitted the bill nicely – power everything, including transmission. It had ample performance with its 425 cu. in. engine, and was reliable too. I drove that car daily for ten years until I got married and moved to the suburbs! I retired that car and still have it today.
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My $.02
There is no rule that says you have to start from jump street as a daily driver...
Get involved with your local club and meet folks that have them. They may even let you drive it (I used to let folks drive mine... no biggie to me).
When you find one you like.. buy it.
Keep it for a year with Antique Vehicle insurance. Drive it "occasionally" and work the bugs out. YOU WILL FIND THINGS THAT NEED work, replacing, restoring.... that is just part of the game with these cars.
At the end of the year or time frame you set up, if you want to go "Daily Driver", then change your insurance and have at it. By then you should know your car pretty well, and have a REALLY good idea of what you are getting into.
If it works out like you planned..... Viola'!
If not, then you can keep it as a "historic vehicle" and keep on keepin' on as a weekend car.
If you hate it, I am pretty sure you could get out of it what you have into it.
I bought one "To Drive".... but I found out I enjoyed tinkering with it, and learning about working on the car as much as I did driving it - Surprise!.
While its your "weekend car", you can learn to fix 90% of the things that come up yourself. Some things you can farm out if you don't want to tackle them, but I'd never really turned a wrench before and I did a ton of stuff to my car... Pretty much with the help of this forum and youtube videos.
You will have a ton of fun, make new friends, and learn a lot about cars, corvettes, and yourself on this journey.
That Red 65 you are looking at in the classifieds would be perfect.
When you find a car you are interested in, find someone on the forum to go take a look at it for you. Somebody experienced with C2s will know what to look for. No car is perfect, but if the car doesn't have major problems with Frame/Birdcage rust, and everything else seems sorted... why not?
There is no rule that says you have to start from jump street as a daily driver...
Get involved with your local club and meet folks that have them. They may even let you drive it (I used to let folks drive mine... no biggie to me).
When you find one you like.. buy it.
Keep it for a year with Antique Vehicle insurance. Drive it "occasionally" and work the bugs out. YOU WILL FIND THINGS THAT NEED work, replacing, restoring.... that is just part of the game with these cars.
At the end of the year or time frame you set up, if you want to go "Daily Driver", then change your insurance and have at it. By then you should know your car pretty well, and have a REALLY good idea of what you are getting into.
If it works out like you planned..... Viola'!
If not, then you can keep it as a "historic vehicle" and keep on keepin' on as a weekend car.
If you hate it, I am pretty sure you could get out of it what you have into it.
I bought one "To Drive".... but I found out I enjoyed tinkering with it, and learning about working on the car as much as I did driving it - Surprise!.
While its your "weekend car", you can learn to fix 90% of the things that come up yourself. Some things you can farm out if you don't want to tackle them, but I'd never really turned a wrench before and I did a ton of stuff to my car... Pretty much with the help of this forum and youtube videos.
You will have a ton of fun, make new friends, and learn a lot about cars, corvettes, and yourself on this journey.
That Red 65 you are looking at in the classifieds would be perfect.
When you find a car you are interested in, find someone on the forum to go take a look at it for you. Somebody experienced with C2s will know what to look for. No car is perfect, but if the car doesn't have major problems with Frame/Birdcage rust, and everything else seems sorted... why not?
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[I have a little story you might find interesting.
Back in the 1980's when I first caught the Corvette 'fever' I had every intention of replacing my '75 Camaro daily driver with a C2. But things didn't quite work out that way.
After a diligent search over many months I finally found a ’65 coupe that I fell in love with – Rally Red, black leather, 327-365hp L-76 engine, 4-speed, 3.70 posi axle, side pipes, knock-offs, teakwood wheel, with 43k original miles. This car was in excellent condition and was mechanically sound.
In order to raise the money needed for the Corvette, I sold my Camaro and bought a ’72 Chevy Nova as a temporary beater to drive while I found the C2 of my dreams. My plan was to give the Nova to my girlfriend once I found a Vette to replace it as my daily driver.
So far so good. I was beaming from the joy of seeing my new acquisition each time I went to drive it. I quickly realized that this wasn’t as soporific a ride as my old Camaro – the Vette had manual transmission, steering and brakes. This car was meant to be DRIVEN. However, its lack of power steering made it a bit of a chore to maneuver into tight parking spots. No big deal. But, commuting daily in stop & go traffic soon got to be chore with clutching to change gears constantly. My left leg got stronger in a hurry thanks to the stiff clutch in that car.
Also, I found its solid-lifter engine with 11:1 compression to be somewhat temperamental. Finding gas with enough octane wasn’t easy, as only one gas station brand in my area carried 94 octane fuel. Even with this gas the engine would detonate under load unless I selected a low enough gear to keep the revs up. I mostly solved this by retarding the ignition slightly and using octane booster, but keeping a supply of booster in the car to add at each fill-up became a nuisance.
As mentioned, the high performance engine also carried another liability in stop & go traffic. The torque curve of the L76 engine at low engine speeds was poor. I would have to downshift constantly to ensure the engine would not ‘ping’, and to get enough pull for a quick get-away. Oh, above 3,500 rpm this car was white-knuckle fun! But rarely could I use this hi-performance potential, as most of the time I was stuck in commuter traffic.
The last annoyance were those side pipes. They look devastatingly good – and have a rumbling sound at idle that means business. But, day after day of driving with that droning sound right behind the doors got a bit old. And, during longer highway runs, the noise was loud enough to give me ringing in the ears. Turning up the stock AM/FM radio wasn’t much help – I could hardly hear it over the roar of the exhaust!
The final straw came a few months into my C2 daily driving experiment. One night I drove downtown to join some friends for a meal. You can imagine my chagrin when I came out to find the passenger side of the car was keyed! I took this as a sign that my red Corvette was simply too nice a car to rely on for daily driving. If I wanted to keep it in the good condition it was then I'd have to relieve it of daily driving duties. Winter was coming and I didn’t relish battling rain and possibly snow (I live in Vancouver BC which is rather wetter than sunny California). So, I decided that I’d keep the C2 as my ‘other car’ and enjoy it during weekends and for special pleasure drives. It was the right decision.
Echoing what others here have said, here’s what I’d advise if you’re considering a C2 as a daily driver:
All this is not to discourage you from using a C2 as your daily driver, especially in the mild climate of So-Cal. If you choose your C2 wisely then it could be a feasible and rewarding move.
P.S. I hated that ’72 Nova. Although it had a 307 engine, it was a total dog - it couldn’t pull a hobo off your sister! So I gave it to the girlfriend, as promised, and sought another vehicle for daily use. I wanted something interesting, distinctive, reliable, and better suited to daily use. I came across a ’65 Buick Riviera which I bought on a lark because of its looks and a review of it I’d read in a collector car magazine. The Riv fitted the bill nicely – power everything, including transmission. It had ample performance with its 425 cu. in. engine, and was reliable too. I drove that car daily for ten years until I got married and moved to the suburbs! I retired that car and still have it today.
Back in the 1980's when I first caught the Corvette 'fever' I had every intention of replacing my '75 Camaro daily driver with a C2. But things didn't quite work out that way.
After a diligent search over many months I finally found a ’65 coupe that I fell in love with – Rally Red, black leather, 327-365hp L-76 engine, 4-speed, 3.70 posi axle, side pipes, knock-offs, teakwood wheel, with 43k original miles. This car was in excellent condition and was mechanically sound.
In order to raise the money needed for the Corvette, I sold my Camaro and bought a ’72 Chevy Nova as a temporary beater to drive while I found the C2 of my dreams. My plan was to give the Nova to my girlfriend once I found a Vette to replace it as my daily driver.
So far so good. I was beaming from the joy of seeing my new acquisition each time I went to drive it. I quickly realized that this wasn’t as soporific a ride as my old Camaro – the Vette had manual transmission, steering and brakes. This car was meant to be DRIVEN. However, its lack of power steering made it a bit of a chore to maneuver into tight parking spots. No big deal. But, commuting daily in stop & go traffic soon got to be chore with clutching to change gears constantly. My left leg got stronger in a hurry thanks to the stiff clutch in that car.
Also, I found its solid-lifter engine with 11:1 compression to be somewhat temperamental. Finding gas with enough octane wasn’t easy, as only one gas station brand in my area carried 94 octane fuel. Even with this gas the engine would detonate under load unless I selected a low enough gear to keep the revs up. I mostly solved this by retarding the ignition slightly and using octane booster, but keeping a supply of booster in the car to add at each fill-up became a nuisance.
As mentioned, the high performance engine also carried another liability in stop & go traffic. The torque curve of the L76 engine at low engine speeds was poor. I would have to downshift constantly to ensure the engine would not ‘ping’, and to get enough pull for a quick get-away. Oh, above 3,500 rpm this car was white-knuckle fun! But rarely could I use this hi-performance potential, as most of the time I was stuck in commuter traffic.
The last annoyance were those side pipes. They look devastatingly good – and have a rumbling sound at idle that means business. But, day after day of driving with that droning sound right behind the doors got a bit old. And, during longer highway runs, the noise was loud enough to give me ringing in the ears. Turning up the stock AM/FM radio wasn’t much help – I could hardly hear it over the roar of the exhaust!
The final straw came a few months into my C2 daily driving experiment. One night I drove downtown to join some friends for a meal. You can imagine my chagrin when I came out to find the passenger side of the car was keyed! I took this as a sign that my red Corvette was simply too nice a car to rely on for daily driving. If I wanted to keep it in the good condition it was then I'd have to relieve it of daily driving duties. Winter was coming and I didn’t relish battling rain and possibly snow (I live in Vancouver BC which is rather wetter than sunny California). So, I decided that I’d keep the C2 as my ‘other car’ and enjoy it during weekends and for special pleasure drives. It was the right decision.
Echoing what others here have said, here’s what I’d advise if you’re considering a C2 as a daily driver:
- Get one with a base motor, hydraulic-cam small block engine (250 or 300hp). These engines have plenty of torque low down to move the car briskly away from stoplights and are more responsive at low speeds when you may have to make a quick maneuver. Forget about big-block cars – these are more expensive, will pass anything (but a gas station!) and are prone to over-heating issues.
- Base engine cars usually have a 3.36 rear end ratio – a good compromise between off-the-line performance and economical highway cruising. Also, base engines have lower compression (10:1 vs 11:1) that the higher performance (i.e. 350 or 365 hp) versions, so you should be able to tune it to run on pump gas without the need for octane boosting additives.
- Your best bet is to find a C2 with automatic transmission. C2’s only came stock with a 2-speed Powerglide, a generally simple and reliable transmission. You may find an automatic C2 that has been converted to a 3 or 4-speed automatic. That’s even better for performance and economy, especially if it has an overdrive trans. You’ll quickly tire of clutching constantly in low speed traffic, so the auto is the way to go for a daily driving car.
- Finally, you’ll find that a C2 with power brakes and power steering will be easier to live with. Ideally, you’ll also find one with air conditioning, but note that factory A/C cars are relatively rare. Reliable aftermarket systems can be added to a C2 and are much welcomed in hot weather, especially if you’re driving a coupe.
All this is not to discourage you from using a C2 as your daily driver, especially in the mild climate of So-Cal. If you choose your C2 wisely then it could be a feasible and rewarding move.
P.S. I hated that ’72 Nova. Although it had a 307 engine, it was a total dog - it couldn’t pull a hobo off your sister! So I gave it to the girlfriend, as promised, and sought another vehicle for daily use. I wanted something interesting, distinctive, reliable, and better suited to daily use. I came across a ’65 Buick Riviera which I bought on a lark because of its looks and a review of it I’d read in a collector car magazine. The Riv fitted the bill nicely – power everything, including transmission. It had ample performance with its 425 cu. in. engine, and was reliable too. I drove that car daily for ten years until I got married and moved to the suburbs! I retired that car and still have it today.
#54
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Here is my .02 opinion. A lot of people drove these cars everyday so if you have a car that's "sorted out" its more than possible.
However, these are 50 plus year old cars. Things happen and they will need more attention than a new car if driven for everyday use. You have to be tolerant of their quirks so to speak. I have a friend who wanted a 1967 Mustang Fastback since he was a kid. He finally had and opportunity to buy one. The owner of the car started asking him questions about how "mechanical" he was (he not a fiddler or mechanical at all) Basically the owner of the Mustang talked him out of buying his car. If you aren't mechanically inclined to a certain extent it will get $$$ to own a Corvette bringing it to your mechanic a lot.
If you get a rag top it will more than likely leak. Being in Florida with rain. My girlfriend never too happy to have water dripping on her thigh or pouring down (If raining hard). I put a new seal in windshield that helped alot. Yeah she loves my car. My girl thinks of cars as something to get you from point A to point B. We went on our first date she thought it was and OLD CAMARO. Yeah she didn't have a clue what it was and still not crazy about my car. She asked me one time if it was between keeping her or my car which one would I chose. I told her I would miss her a lot when she was gone
I have a 1963 Corvette with original drum brakes. I seen the way people drive out in California its similar to Florida. If you are use to having your 4 wheel disc brakes on your car and riding someone *** down the freeway. You will be sadly mistaken if you think this will stop on a dime. Mine drive, rides, and handles like a 1963 Corvette.
I guess the bottom line is you have to LOVE this car and be tolerant of all its little quirks and problems a newer car wont have.
I finally put AC in my car. I got tired of sweating my *** off (I have plenty of *** to sweat) My girl like my car little more because it has AC. You have to realize all those modern conveniences you are going to lose when you buy this Corvette.
Here is my .02 opinion. A lot of people drove these cars everyday so if you have a car that's "sorted out" its more than possible.
However, these are 50 plus year old cars. Things happen and they will need more attention than a new car if driven for everyday use. You have to be tolerant of their quirks so to speak. I have a friend who wanted a 1967 Mustang Fastback since he was a kid. He finally had and opportunity to buy one. The owner of the car started asking him questions about how "mechanical" he was (he not a fiddler or mechanical at all) Basically the owner of the Mustang talked him out of buying his car. If you aren't mechanically inclined to a certain extent it will get $$$ to own a Corvette bringing it to your mechanic a lot.
If you get a rag top it will more than likely leak. Being in Florida with rain. My girlfriend never too happy to have water dripping on her thigh or pouring down (If raining hard). I put a new seal in windshield that helped alot. Yeah she loves my car. My girl thinks of cars as something to get you from point A to point B. We went on our first date she thought it was and OLD CAMARO. Yeah she didn't have a clue what it was and still not crazy about my car. She asked me one time if it was between keeping her or my car which one would I chose. I told her I would miss her a lot when she was gone
I have a 1963 Corvette with original drum brakes. I seen the way people drive out in California its similar to Florida. If you are use to having your 4 wheel disc brakes on your car and riding someone *** down the freeway. You will be sadly mistaken if you think this will stop on a dime. Mine drive, rides, and handles like a 1963 Corvette.
I guess the bottom line is you have to LOVE this car and be tolerant of all its little quirks and problems a newer car wont have.
I finally put AC in my car. I got tired of sweating my *** off (I have plenty of *** to sweat) My girl like my car little more because it has AC. You have to realize all those modern conveniences you are going to lose when you buy this Corvette.
#55
Racer
Seaside, NJ car show 2012
I am the original owner of my’63 triple black convertible, 549,000 miles. As others have mentioned personnel knowledge of my Vette, the ability to do some of the repairs and a trusted mechanic are ideal for maintaining reliability and being able to enjoy the ride. I do have these. I also have a PM list that I use each winter which is down time here in the snow belt. After 54 years’ of ownership and use, I can pretty much understand (feel, taste, smell, see) when an issue is beginning. I do carry spare parts on board at all times. These parts are as small as a regulator and as large as a half shaft. I did have to replace a voltage regulator twice when on the road, once in Newfoundland and once in St Paul, MN. Now I change the regulator every 2 years. Another helpful way to keep issues to a minimum is that I do not have power brakes or power steering. When an unexpected issue has occurred we have been able to get back on the road after losing a day or less.
For photos & stories please google: Steve Stone 1963 Corvette
Thanks for the interest and safe driving to all.
Steve
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#56
Le Mans Master
Interesting thread.... I am surprised by the responses, mainly in the fact that people are recommending to daily drive it.(this isnt the typical responses in this section of the forum).
I agree with both sides of the camp. I do think these cars can be quite reliable, however you will HAVE to learn how to maintain/repair these cars. I would not trust anyone to work on them.
My biggest concern with driving one daily would be the potential theft, keying and soccer moms rear ending it in traffic while updating their facebook status.
All this being said, I think it would be a total blast to drive one daily, and I also agree that the base model engines would be the best for reliability and gas mpg.
My dad has 3 mid year cars that I work on/maintain, one of which is an original 60k mile 67' Coupe, 327/350hp, 4spd/3.36 car and it would be a GREAT daily driver.....(other then the fact it has a $20k paint job)....Its very reliable, plenty of room inside, has AC/disc brakes and is even pretty good on gas mpg...Its quiet and comfortable inside and the original 60k springs (aka. worn out) ride nice and soft.
Obviously I would go through every system on the car and make sure they are updated and maintained.
I think buying one for a weekend driver and keeping your daily beater for a while is a great idea until you get your feet good and wet in classic vette repair and diagnostics.
So Cal is probably the ONLY location/climate I would consider using a C2/C3 for a daily driver in though. Do your research, spend the money upfront and by the best car that you can, learn all about it, drive and enjoy.
I agree with both sides of the camp. I do think these cars can be quite reliable, however you will HAVE to learn how to maintain/repair these cars. I would not trust anyone to work on them.
My biggest concern with driving one daily would be the potential theft, keying and soccer moms rear ending it in traffic while updating their facebook status.
All this being said, I think it would be a total blast to drive one daily, and I also agree that the base model engines would be the best for reliability and gas mpg.
My dad has 3 mid year cars that I work on/maintain, one of which is an original 60k mile 67' Coupe, 327/350hp, 4spd/3.36 car and it would be a GREAT daily driver.....(other then the fact it has a $20k paint job)....Its very reliable, plenty of room inside, has AC/disc brakes and is even pretty good on gas mpg...Its quiet and comfortable inside and the original 60k springs (aka. worn out) ride nice and soft.
Obviously I would go through every system on the car and make sure they are updated and maintained.
I think buying one for a weekend driver and keeping your daily beater for a while is a great idea until you get your feet good and wet in classic vette repair and diagnostics.
So Cal is probably the ONLY location/climate I would consider using a C2/C3 for a daily driver in though. Do your research, spend the money upfront and by the best car that you can, learn all about it, drive and enjoy.
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plenty of us in la that can help you work on one or know of soemone who does
Get yourself an HEI igntiion, DeWitts radiator for starters
percolation will be your enemy.
Holley makes in interesting EFI it looks simple to install and dont need to be a computer genious to make it work
Talk to adam boca at NCM hes a member here he can helpp with ins been happy for 3 yrs now and its not a bunch of $
Youre in LA so dont worrry about perfect paint just get a 'driver"
Some creative hood venting can help with underhood heat
Or sped and get some good gas post pics!
Get yourself an HEI igntiion, DeWitts radiator for starters
percolation will be your enemy.
Holley makes in interesting EFI it looks simple to install and dont need to be a computer genious to make it work
Talk to adam boca at NCM hes a member here he can helpp with ins been happy for 3 yrs now and its not a bunch of $
Youre in LA so dont worrry about perfect paint just get a 'driver"
Some creative hood venting can help with underhood heat
Or sped and get some good gas post pics!
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#58
Melting Slicks
Factory-style headrest kits (different for the two model years) are sold by Al Knoch interiors, and they will do the installation, which I believe involves some welding to the seat frame, if you ship them them the seats.
I can't say how hard it is to find shoulder belts, and it seems that any installation not using the factory-installed anchors would have to done by someone who REALLY knows what they are doing, or else the belts may not really add any safety.
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In all my years going back to visit family, I only saw ONE Corvette - a bronze C5 in the San Angel district in 2014. Corvettes are very rare birds down there. Years ago I met a man who owned a black 1957 Cadillac Brougham. The car had quite a history and the owner had bought it from the family of a wealthy Mexican businessman who used his connections to import the car back in the day.
When I was in my teens I lived two blocks from a GM service center on Rio Panuco street. I remember seeing GM cars being serviced there that were very rare in Mexico (i.e. Pontiacs, Buicks, few Cadillacs). These cars were prohibited from being sold new in Mexico back then (a policy designed to protect the domestic car industry - Trump might relate to that!). You could buy regular Fords, and Chevy's but none of the higher-line Ford or GM marques.
Spotting rare cars in Mexico as a youth fed my interest in American cars. So when we moved to Los Angeles when I was 14, I thought I had arrived in "car heaven"!!!
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