[C1] Engine identification
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The information you referenced in posting #5 says the same thing that everyone has been telling you. Near as I can tell, you just don't know how to comprehend the information you cited.
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That is a very bold remark to make to someone you don't know. I would never assume something like that or make that remark. I have been around and owned these cars for a long time. I certainly don't know it all and don't believe anyone else does either. I have been polite in asking for information here and only ask for documentation of what someone is stating. But that is ok if no one wants to play I will just take my ball and go home.
They ARE the credible reference - more so than some well known reference books.
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There are a number of passenger car and truck engine codes that are also two characters. The FC code you mentioned is a good example.
The confirmation that you are looking for is, in fact, in the Chevrolet Parts & Accessories Catalog. Look specifically at the chart before the engine code chart that documents the vehicle model by number.
It is pretty clear once you look at it that the "E" code only applies to models 1500, 2100, and 2400. These are a 150, a 210, and a Bel Air respectively. That is the "interpretation" of the GM documentation.
I am not sure what else to say about this.
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[B][/THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THE INFOB] When I Googled "1957 engine identifiers" the info I cited came up as that page. After your response I realized I could change pages to find what you directed me to.
To the others that commented with all of the condescending remarks:
This is a copy and past from the first paragraph of my opening post in this thread in large bold print.
"Maybe there is something available that is more detailed and if there is I would appreciate it"
I was raised to have manners and be polite by my parents. I asked a few simple questions and for some documentation of it but mostly got attitude that indicated I should just take people's word for things--sorry I like to see some manufacturers documentation regardless of who you are. Now with the answer I was seeking, was that so hard?
To the others that commented with all of the condescending remarks:
This is a copy and past from the first paragraph of my opening post in this thread in large bold print.
"Maybe there is something available that is more detailed and if there is I would appreciate it"
I was raised to have manners and be polite by my parents. I asked a few simple questions and for some documentation of it but mostly got attitude that indicated I should just take people's word for things--sorry I like to see some manufacturers documentation regardless of who you are. Now with the answer I was seeking, was that so hard?
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Try looking in the mirror. It was your condescending remarks like "that answer doesn't hold water" that made this a difficult exchange.
Your manners are not as exemplary as you claim them to be, and bragging about them does not serve you well.
Your manners are not as exemplary as you claim them to be, and bragging about them does not serve you well.
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There was nothing condescending about that remark it is a very old and common saying. I can tell you that if I spoke to people the way I was spoken to in this thread my mother would have said "you should be ashamed of yourself." No bragging here just stating the facts. I was nothing but polite in my requests.
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Do yourself a favor and buy a NCRS pocket guide. All of the info that these people,JohnZ,Provette67,Jv04 and Jim Lockwood, who really know this stuff are telling you is in these books.
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I know I am going to regret this, but.... this all started with my comment
"I could go into an explanation of how to interpret the GM documentation but, I think we can just agree to disagree. My statements on the engine possibilites remains true."
Perhaps better wording on my part would have been
"I could go into an explanation of how to read the GM documentation but, I think we can just agree to disagree. My statements on the engine possibilites remains true."
I made the assumption, based on your statement, that you actually had the P&A catalog, and were able to reference ALL of it. Clearly that was not true, or at least you had not availed yourself of that opportunity.
Had you looked at the chart in the P&A catalog that defined the vehicles types that were clearly referenced in your post on engine codes, none of the subsequent "discussion" would have been necessary.
I am not fussing, just stating the facts.
Best of luck in your future efforts. I, for one, will most likely refrain from commenting on any future posts of yours.
"I could go into an explanation of how to interpret the GM documentation but, I think we can just agree to disagree. My statements on the engine possibilites remains true."
Perhaps better wording on my part would have been
"I could go into an explanation of how to read the GM documentation but, I think we can just agree to disagree. My statements on the engine possibilites remains true."
I made the assumption, based on your statement, that you actually had the P&A catalog, and were able to reference ALL of it. Clearly that was not true, or at least you had not availed yourself of that opportunity.
Had you looked at the chart in the P&A catalog that defined the vehicles types that were clearly referenced in your post on engine codes, none of the subsequent "discussion" would have been necessary.
I am not fussing, just stating the facts.
Best of luck in your future efforts. I, for one, will most likely refrain from commenting on any future posts of yours.
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To the OP:
I just let my soon to be 94 years old mother read this thread and she thinks you are "impolite". She says she can think of many "very old and common sayings" that are not necessarily good just because they are old and common.
Enough said. I'm done here.
I just let my soon to be 94 years old mother read this thread and she thinks you are "impolite". She says she can think of many "very old and common sayings" that are not necessarily good just because they are old and common.
Enough said. I'm done here.
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Not to keep this going but jv04 has published a book on nothing but chevy suffix codes it's the called the Lime book. If anyone is going to know or understand the usage on the suffix codes it will be him. And then you got JohnZ backing him up. So instead of talking back start listing to them. I'm not saying they are god but they are darn close. If they gave you a answer you don't like then we are sorry you were mislead in the past.
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Not to keep this going but jv04 has published a book on nothing but chevy suffix codes it's the called the Lime book. If anyone is going to know or understand the usage on the suffix codes it will be him. And then you got JohnZ backing him up. So instead of talking back start listing to them. I'm not saying they are god but they are darn close. If they gave you a answer you don't like then we are sorry you were mislead in the past.
[B][/THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THE INFOB] When I Googled "1957 engine identifiers" the info I cited came up as that page. After your response I realized I could change pages to find what you directed me to.
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I am not familiar with that publication or where it's info comes from.
My info comes from the link below which covers years 1941-1957. When you look at the link below of this info there is a note at the top that should be read.
The engine in question that started all of this is a 1957 with a stamping of FII2IE decoded as:
F=Flint assembly plant
II=11th month-Dec of 1956
21=21st day of Dec 1956
E= 283 4 barrel--------------to me this would be for a manual trans--autos have another letter code after the E. Some of these suffix codes are shown specific to Corvette but NOT the singular E which I would interpret as coding for both passenger car and Corvette.
Does anyone have any documentable PROOF of anything different???
http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com...gine.htm#57eng
My info comes from the link below which covers years 1941-1957. When you look at the link below of this info there is a note at the top that should be read.
The engine in question that started all of this is a 1957 with a stamping of FII2IE decoded as:
F=Flint assembly plant
II=11th month-Dec of 1956
21=21st day of Dec 1956
E= 283 4 barrel--------------to me this would be for a manual trans--autos have another letter code after the E. Some of these suffix codes are shown specific to Corvette but NOT the singular E which I would interpret as coding for both passenger car and Corvette.
Does anyone have any documentable PROOF of anything different???
http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com...gine.htm#57eng
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Also google is great thing and I use it often but when it comes to things like this the right reference book can't not be replaced
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68hemi...if you're looking for further documentation, the "Corvette Black Book" verifies Provette67's statement! Information in this publication is provided by Noland Adams, Zora Duntov, Gordon Killebrew, and Dave Hill along with dozens of other qualified enthusiasts, including many on this forum. I would suggest you listen to the pros and be careful with some of these supposed know-it-all motorhead sites!
Information in this publication is provided by Noland Adams, Zora Duntov, Gordon Killebrew, and Dave Hill along with dozens of other qualified enthusiasts, including many on this forum. I would suggest you listen to the pros and be careful with some of these supposed know-it-all motorhead sites!
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