Hi Folks, I have searched but have not come up with an answer to this. I went to order the BreakerLess SE #38131 for Lectric Limited and they said they don't know when they will get more. I called M&H Electric Manufacturers who supply the 38131 to LL and they don't have them currently in stock either. I see that Jegs and Summit both show the same 38131 part number and list it as a BreakerLess SE, but they both say "American Autowire" BreakerLess SE. I asked M&H if they supply Jegs and Summit and they said they do not directly sell to them, so they couldn't conform it was their product. Does anyone know if they are the same product? M&H Electric Manufacturers vs American Autowire?

Thank you much!

-Garry

 

You could call Summit or Jegs and ask them. I ordered one a few days ago from Summit and it's on the way.

Steve

 

I bought mine from summit. Believe they are all the same

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Breakerless...8AAOSwW9Fe-zxZ

 

Jegs and Summit are ALMOST the same price and if I have an issue, I would rather call one of them.

 

I sent an email to M&H sales asking if they supply their product to American Autowire but haven't heard back. I will follow up here with what I hear.

 

What's wrong with the one I pointed to on eBay? It's made by M&H.

 

One of the questions and answers on the Summit page suggests the part comes from Lectricslimited. As for buying from the ebay supplier, I can only speak for my own preferences but I'd rather buy from a vendor with a large enough presence that if I have an issue, I can call them and I know I can talk with a real person. Summit provides that assurance.

From what I've been able to find on the web, I believe M&H is the original manufacturer or probably more correctly, the contractor. I suspect they are all selling the same part from the same manufacturer.

Steve

 

So let me understand. There is a product you want that Summit and the manufacturer don't have. The Manufactures price is $169.00 plus shipping. This Ebay sell with 100% rating, who was also the Rocky Mountain NCRS Judging chairman has it for $146.00 plus shipping. Plus it comes with a 3 year warrant from M&H. If you wish to wait, possibly for months to get one, that is certainly your choice.

 

I have to believe that is the case. “Breakerless SE {Stealth Edition}” is almost surely a legally protected brand name.

 

No, not at all. I'm simply saying that the ebay seller's price is 151.70. Summit's price is 152.10 and they now have two in stock. Was 4 but I and apparently somebody else bought one each. To make it clear for you, I'm saying it's worth 40 cents to me to buy from a vendor I can call if I have an issue. That help you understand?

sd

 

Thank you all for the replies, I appreciate the input. I still have not heard back from M&H regarding if the American Autowire is their product or not.

 

Got my SE Breakerless system from Summit today. The instruction sheet says "Factory Fit" automotive. The box says American Auto Wire and the patent on the device is Patent #6,748,937 which comes back to Lawrence E. Soza in California. One of the questions on the Summit site refers to LectricsLimited as the manufacturer and all the pictures I can find look EXACTLY like the one I received so my bet is they are all coming from the same source. This is furthered by the fact that the patent is still in effect.

The instruction sheet says "Three Year Warranty".

Steve

 

Thank you for that information Steve! I still haven't heard back from M&H Electrical Manufacturers whom I believe are in California, but I did hear back from American Autowire who stated they manufacture their's exactly the same as M&H do. So, i'm kind of thinking along the same lines as you that they are very likely manufactured by the same manufacturer. Lectric Limited sells the M&H product BTW. Beginning to wonder if M&H and AmericanAutowire source from the same supplier!!

Cheers,

-Garry

 

As a wrap up, the SE system is installed and working well ... after a few gyrations. When I took the original (numbers matching) running gear out of the car and stored it, I installed a mini starter with the new engine. The mini starter has no provision for the resistor bypass for starting like the original starter did but not to worry, I installed a Pertronix ignition at that time which required 12 volts all the time, eliminating the need for the ballast resistor. Fast forward a few years to the failure of the second coil with the Pertronix. When that happened, I reinstalled the points and condenser and a new stock coil (from NAPA) and of course, hooked the ballast resistor back into the circuit, never thinking about the missing resistor bypass circuit.

Fast forward to today.... The battery was almost 6 years old and getting a bit long in the tooth. I noticed that sometimes, it was very hard to start with the points but I never thought about the resistor bypass. After installing the SE Breakerless system, the car was still not starting reliably. It would turn over, albeit a bit slowly but sometimes would not start.

My troubleshooting discovered (and reminded me) of the missing resistor bypass. Because of the tired battery and no resistor bypass, the coil voltage was sometimes dropping to under 5 volts during cranking. Research showed there were two common ways to address this issue. One is with a relay and the second is using a diode. I chose the diode approach and installed a 12 amp, 400 volt diode (way overkill I know but it was in stock ) from the starter side of starter solenoid to the resistor bypass wire. With that, the car starts very reliably plus, I replaced the tired old battery with a fresh AGM unit.

So, IF you are running a mini starter AND a system that uses a ballast resistor, you might look into the resistor bypass modifications to assure good starting.

 

I had to do the same thing on my 67 Chevelle that had the mini-starter installed.

I also made up a back-up jumper with a replacement diode in case of a a diode failure on the road and it stayed in the glove box.

 

So why didn't you tell me about that? You know I'm gettin old and forgetful....!

 

Meant to but I forgot...

 

Touche'e

 

ordered one from in jegs mid october, arrived in the mail yesterday. so the big wait is likely over