In one of the pictures, there is a bellhousing with lots of magic marker writing about how it is the small hole and fits a T10 but not a Muncie. Being a June built late car, it should have had a Muncie to begin with, and as most 63 people know, it WILL fit with the 63 only small front bearing retainer. The car would be worth a lot more money in my opinion with the RF correct date coded block in the car, with the big oil pan, and lose the power steering, if the frame has the same VIN number. That is concerning on the vin plate. The rest of the car looks pretty good, and then they put an obviously fake vin tag on it. What are they hiding? Makes you wonder

Edit- After looking closer, what is up with the pcv running out of the drilled hole in the valve cover, and the vacuum advance is plugged on the distributor, and there is some kind of rubber tube wrapped around the air cleaner adaptor secured with a hose clamp. The fuel line is totally incorrect also.

 

come on guys, nobody understands sarcasm??

bigredbrad

 

it has a clean Ohio title in sellers name, so that vin # is legit as far as Ohio is concerned, might not be a big deal on lower value midyear to a new owner
I don't see why a state would have an issue with that vin on a good clean title, its not like they look at the NCRS guide books

 

One has to wonder where that body came from. As far as I know, once the Vin plate is separated from the body, it has no other identifiers anywhere else on it. A person could buy a frame, and put a stolen body on it, minus the vin plate, stick a bowling trophy plate on it with the right numbers for the frame, have it registered, and have a car. I notice that the picture of the body tag is cropped not to show the date. It would be interesting to see if the body number would correlate with the Vin on date of manufacture sequence.

 

And still no response on BaT from the owner.

 

The buyer could end up in the same situation as this guy:

https://reason.com/2021/10/18/althou...1959-corvette/

Ted

 

Seller finally responded:

"The number on tube frame above the driver side rear tire between the frame and the body match the title. The colors are original. I can’t speak to the vin tag but all matches. The paint is spotless.. all the vette enthusiasts around here confirm everything I am saying I am an older car nur. My son and I own Thompson raceway park,a quarter mile drag strip in ohio this is a great car no disappointments. Ps I never raced it down the track. Whoever ends up with the car knows where to find me if there are any questions or issues. I’ll put you in touch with the previous owner of 20 plus years he is a school teacher that knew nothing about cars and bought it out of college. Drove it very little and sold it to me when his son was going to college it’s a straight correct car thanks"

 

Took his time. Maybe this is one of those 63s that the spot welds didn’t hold and the VIN tag fell/got knocked off and lost. If it was titled, maybe the trophy shop VIN tag seemed like an ingenious idea at the time. Lot maybes though.

 

The above from the seller still does not address the issue of the body.
The engine is stamped May 6th, and the body is a month later, 2nd week in June. Even if it is a given that the engine is a restamp, Something still doesn't seem right, as the J2 body date on the trim tag is body 8816, and frame serial # 17,176. My body # 10,144 dated K4 goes with serial # 20396, barely 4 weeks later is 1328 coupe bodies difference. I don't think that makes sense. The frame should have have a number somewhere in the middle to late 18,000 range I would think to be in the correct range. The reason I say that is from the time my car was made until the last week of production and serial # 20,990 was about 3 1/2 weeks, and they only made 600 more coupes. This picture is from the site.

 

The difference between J2 and K4 is 6 weeks not 4 weeks
17,176 was produced June 12th 1963 according to the C2 Birthday Calculator
June 12 is J2
In 1963 there were 10,594 coupes or 49.24% of full production and 10,919 convertibles or 50.76% of full production.
By the end of May (I4) the total number of bodies made were 16,409
with the last serial being 116409=I4
So by I4 there theoretically were 16,409/2= 8204.5 coupes produced but that was not quite true.
At the start of production there were more orders for coupes than Convertibles and as the they approached April/May 1963
The sellers car is body number 8816
May ended production at 16409 which equals body number 8534ish approximately
If end of may is 8534 approximately then with the first 14 days of production in June being 1057 cars and perhaps 30% being coupes, that would be 317 Coupes by June 14th giving a daily production number (coupes) of 317/14= 22.x coupes and 12 days of that production is 264. Add 264 to 8534ish and you get 8798 body number
Sellers car is 8816 which means to me they were upping Convertibles as suggested because of the bad reviews on the Coupes rear window and I see nothing wrong with the body number you see
8816 is his June 12th body number and looks good to me

10144 by K4 issue
8816 is Jun 12 and K4 can be as late as July 31
120990 was last serial July
So in 6 weeks that would mean 10,144-8816 = 1328 coupes in the remaining 18 days June +31 days July
That would mean production had to be around 2656 cars to get there.
July 2466 cars and June was 22 coupes a day 18 days=396 coupes for remainder of June
putting serial 18524 as body number 9212 (end of June serial)
July's production is 2466 cars if 50% are coupes then 1233 equals body number 10,445
Your car is K4 and is 10144 which is 301 coupes away from July 31 if you use 50% for coupes that month
I do not see an issue with his or your body numbers.
Please feel free to check the math, all numbers are ballpark
Ref: https://www.licorvette.com/pdfcatalo...0DATECODES.pdf
Dennis

 

Dennis, I will defer to your estimate... I didn't spend as much time checking it.. I guess I should have. Thanks... Guess I need to throw away my tinfoil hat

 

The VIN tag should still be a deal- breaker. “I can’t speak to the VIN tag but it matches” is an answer that should confirm that.

Interesting comment chastising “VIN tag *****.” Wonder if that $95k bid was from a helper as well?

 

ya lazy bum what if I made a mistake

 

The bolded part is an oxymoron. If you’re not concerned about a vin tag, you need to find another hobby and if you are concerned, you’re not a ****.

I repeat, “run away!”

 

It appears that the seller's reserve was met and it sold for $102K.

 

Not sure how I missed this auction. The guy lives 10min from me. That would have been a fun inspection.

 

I posted a thread about Vin Tag under glove box yesterday 7:20 PM . The picture of that Vin tag looks to be made by the same company. Take a look. I do not know how to post the thread here. Kenny