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Old Aug 19, 2022 | 02:19 PM
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I just pressed the inner sleeve and rubber from my original 1964 strut rods. The new bushings have a sleeve on the outside but is there an outer sleeve on the original strut rod end? I measure only approximately .020" difference between the ID of the rod and the OD of the bushing.
Did OE only use an inner seal?
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OEM strut rods only had the inner sleeve inside the rubber vulcanized into the rod eyelet. The replacement bushing has the outer steel sleeve and inner steel sleeve.
Using a press, the outer sleeve will compress into the eyelet.


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Joe,

Make of this what you will...

I'm not a fan of the replacement bushings which are made with an inner and outer sleeve. That construction reduces the amount of rubber available for much needed rotational compliance which is taken by the rubber.

IMHO, a better technical solution is to buy the replacement Moog struts which have the larger C3 ends and bonded rubber for lots of low stress compliance.

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"IMHO, a better technical solution is to buy the replacement Moog struts which have the larger C3 ends and bonded rubber for lots of low stress compliance."

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Does this also require changing the support bracket from 3817827 to C3 equivalent; 356932 perhaps? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by vark_wso
"IMHO, a better technical solution is to buy the replacement Moog struts which have the larger C3 ends and bonded rubber for lots of low stress compliance."

Jim
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Does this also require changing the support bracket from 3817827 to C3 equivalent; 356932 perhaps? Thanks.
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No. The C3 strut rod with the larger ends is a fit, form, and function replacement for the original small-end C2 struts. I put them on my '63 a few years ago with no other changes and never looked back.
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Those C3 struts come standard on the C2 rear suspension rebuild package from Zip and I used them on my ‘66. To Jim’s point, a much better option.
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MAKE SURE YOU INSTALL THESE ON THE INBOARD END OF THE STRUT ROD
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Originally Posted by jim lockwood
Joe,
Make of this what you will...
I'm not a fan of the replacement bushings which are made with an inner and outer sleeve. That construction reduces the amount of rubber available for much needed rotational compliance which is taken by the rubber.
IMHO, a better technical solution is to buy the replacement Moog struts which have the larger C3 ends and bonded rubber for lots of low stress compliance.
Jim
Thanks Jim, I never thought of that. That is why you get paid the big money!

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Originally Posted by jim lockwood
Joe,

Make of this what you will...

I'm not a fan of the replacement bushings which are made with an inner and outer sleeve. That construction reduces the amount of rubber available for much needed rotational compliance which is taken by the rubber.

IMHO, a better technical solution is to buy the replacement Moog struts which have the larger C3 ends and bonded rubber for lots of low stress compliance.

Jim
Sure.....now you tell us, after I just finished rebuilding mine

Good information Jim, just a bit late for me.
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Originally Posted by plaidside
Thanks Jim, I never thought of that. That is why you get paid the big money!
Originally Posted by TAlvarez
Sure.....now you tell us, after I just finished rebuilding mine

Good information Jim, just a bit late for me.
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Sorry guys! I'm typin' as fast as I can!
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The larger rod heads will work but in extreme travel may bind on the inside of the support legs. I always check that and radius the inside, so it is never a concern. Yes, it most likely won't be an issue for most but I never chance that.

I have used a lot of the sleeve bushings, never had a comeback or complaint. I am sure Bair's used 1000's of them as well. To each his own. many would say to use adjustable rods but for a street car they're really not needed. If the parts in the IRS are new or rebuilt the camber shouldn't change and unless you're going to track the car and change the suspension for the tracks, again not needed. But it's a good seller since many think it's the best.
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