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Old Feb 1, 2024 | 02:36 PM
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is it possible to identify a 3851100 variable rate spring while installed and also to tell if it's the right end up? from reading multiple threads hear i found one by johnz which noted that the more closely spaced coils go up and that there is a notch identifying the lower end. while installed it's hard to see if the some of the coils are closer than others and i can't find the notch. thanks.
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is it possible to identify a 3851100 variable rate spring while installed and also to tell if it's the right end up? from reading multiple threads hear i found one by johnz which noted that the more closely spaced coils go up and that there is a notch identifying the lower end. while installed it's hard to see if the some of the coils are closer than others and i can't find the notch. thanks.
Here's some pics of OEM 3851100 spring from my 66 (California car), complete with original green ID tag in place. You can observe the coil spacing, notch, dims, & the like from these photos.
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Old Feb 1, 2024 | 04:06 PM
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Just curious as a 64 variable rate spring has half the coils,closer together than the other half. Yes, if you look, you can see when mounted, but not easy.
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These came out of a forum members 64 o.e. spring if that helps?
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Notch is on bottom of spring in this pic & spaces of spring does get smaller towards the top

Notch on bottom of spring
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The 3851100 is made from a 0.600 in. bar and has 11-7/8 turns.
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thanks guys, this is all great info. there's no way i'd be able to see that notch with the spring installed and half the coils are up in the spring/shock tower and so they're hard to see. i brought this up because i just replaced my 57 year old control arms with global west units and now the wheel arch lip is about an 1 1/2" higher than it was. global west assures me that in all critical dimensions their control arms are identical to factory so they insist that's not the problem. so now i'm trying to figure out why it sits higher. after reading the johnz threads i now know that the spring has a top and bottom. have to say if the coils are closer together i didn't notice it. one other point from those threads: the upper bitter end of the coil is supposed to be indexed 3/8" before the stop. i didn't do that, it's right up against the stop. so the question is, could either or both of these things be responsible for my ride height problem. thanks again.
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These are 64 variable rate springs removed, then reinstalled in my 64. Ride height is perfect. It’s hard to see the minor pitch change, but it’s obvious when loaded.


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thanks guys, this is all great info. there's no way i'd be able to see that notch with the spring installed and half the coils are up in the spring/shock tower and so they're hard to see. i brought this up because i just replaced my 57 year old control arms with global west units and now the wheel arch lip is about an 1 1/2" higher than it was. global west assures me that in all critical dimensions their control arms are identical to factory so they insist that's not the problem. so now i'm trying to figure out why it sits higher. after reading the johnz threads i now know that the spring has a top and bottom. have to say if the coils are closer together i didn't notice it. one other point from those threads: the upper bitter end of the coil is supposed to be indexed 3/8" before the stop. i didn't do that, it's right up against the stop. so the question is, could either or both of these things be responsible for my ride height problem. thanks again.
The spring installation is not your ride height problem. It won't matter which spring end is up and the spring index in the seat is a trivial issue. If you haven't moved the car since you installed the springs, it will settle when you move it.
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mashinter, i hear ya, i'm just trying to get my ducks lined up for my conversation with global west. at this point i'm grasping at straws. as far as settling goes the global west units don't use rubber bushings. they use something called del-a-lum, they function like rod ends or bearings. and the coil springs are original and are probably as compressed as they are going to get.
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