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Old Dec 22, 2024 | 05:47 PM
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For stat junkies like myself, Forum members might find this interesting.
http://www.carnut.com/specs/engdim.html
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Some interesting information. One thing that surprises me is the weight difference between the small block Ford and small block Chevy. Never realized that the Ford was so much lighter (if the information is accurate).

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I have to agree, Ted. I always thought that the SB Windsor was narrower, as well. It was most likely the weight that contributed to the Ford being installed in all manner of cars (Griffith, Sunbeam, altered Austin Healeys, etc).

Ted Sutton, one of Shelby's mechanics, was known throughout So Cal for stuffing in SB Fords into all types of Sports Cars. His most celebrated achievement, while working at Shelby American, was stuffing the FE 427 into a CSX 2000 Cobra. The concept eventually became the 427 prototype (the Ken Miles Flip Top).
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Yes, I think that light engine is what contributed to the 289 Cobra”s overall light weight, something like 2100 lbs +/- curb.
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Originally Posted by Dan Hampton
His most celebrated achievement, while working at Shelby American, was stuffing the FE 427 into a CSX 2000 Cobra. The concept eventually became the 427 prototype (the Ken Miles Flip Top).
Ya, that was the car known as "The Turd" before turning it into the Flip Top. It eventually evolved into the very formidable CSX3000 cars. I always thought it was kind a shame that Ford abandoned the 427 Cobras, but they had bigger fish to fry with the Ford GT's.

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Ya, that was the car known as "The Turd" before turning it into the Flip Top. It eventually evolved into the very formidable CSX3000 cars. I always thought it was kind of a shame that Ford abandoned the 427 Cobras, but they had bigger fish to fry with the Ford GT's.

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It is interesting that Shelby never built or campaigned a Factory 427 for the Cobra in FIA events. Built-in '65, it was the last gasp of the front engine, rear-wheel drive race car. Some privateers had some luck with it, but as you say, the Ford GT program was well underway and Shelby/Ford never looked back.

Ferrari, too, had introduced the mid-engine 250 LM around that time.

Pete Brock had designed the Type 65 Coupe (an offshoot from the famous Cobra 289 Daytona but with the 427 FE) but Shelby/Ford wanted nothing to do with it, despite the fact that the 289 Coupes had won Le Mans and the World Manufacturers Cup. As a matter of fact, Brock was unceremoniously fired after the Daytonas had won the Cup.

Ford was all in with the GT and even a genius like Brock had no place in the organization after they shifted to a higher gear with the MK IIB and the Mark IV.

Pete Brock will always be in my Pantheon of heroes. He is an incredible guy.

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Originally Posted by Dan Hampton
Pete Brock will always be in my Pantheon of heroes. He is an incredible guy.
Amen to that.

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