Hey all, one of my best friends has two '65s a 365hp sidepipe coupe and an L79 roadster. He restored the coupe to pristine original condition, so much that he doesn't like driving it except to shows. Thats why he bought the convertible to be a nice driver. Now he contemplating trading both away for a restored '67 427. I told him he probably should just so the coupe doesn't sit and waste away (hardly ever goes to shows anymore), and that he should get what he really wants. What would you do???:confused:

 

I'd keep them and drive them,
but you're right.
He should do whatever trips his trigger
rod

 

Encourage him to sell me the roadster. I want to put some miles on it. OK, OK - I have a roadster - the coupe could use the miles too. How much is he asking - if he were to ask?- if you can talk him into it.

 

I keep thinking that I want a BB too.....i do like my L79 fresh rebuild. Wish I had a bigger garage and a more understanding wife....... I would have a C5 or C6 a C2 BB vert and a C1.

I like dreaming cause dreaming can set you free.......lol
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Am I disqualified from this thread?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Yep.....you are gone.....WAY over qualified....... :lol:
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So if he trades them both for the restored 67 is it going to sit in the garage just like his restored 65? So now he has one vette that he doesn't want to drive. Not a very good trade in my opinion. :nonod:

 

Bad bad BAD idea. Big Block cars are WAY over valued. Deals like this are why the hobby has gone outta sight and the BB cars are leading the way.

First of all the BB cars are less balanced and driveable on the street. Go like hell in a straight line but they fall down a little on the twisties.

The BB cars are really nothin more than a small block car with a bigger engine. All the "issues" and bad traits of the small block cars exist in the BB powered units. In point of fact the BB cars have additional issues so there really is no quantum leap ahead other than torque when ya move to a BB.

You can buy and load a BB into a car relatively cheaply. If you are good with your hands and know the dealer or a good rebuilder or you rebuilt yourself the BB engine is not out of reach. Now I know here comes all the crying about ya need the RIGHT Oil Guage and the RIGHT tach and the RIGHT sway bar...well I guess. Pretty soon you have another bucks down garage queen. You really only NEED the brackets for the alternator and a bigger radiator. No you don't even NEED the support. You can buy the brackets and fab up the SB support to hold a BB radiator. Been there done that. If ya don't want to choke out the bucks for a set of stock manifolds consider hedders. If all this starts with a NOM car, better yet a car with a bad engine...well you see where I am going

Why not get a new crate motor (short or long block) and build the BBC car? Gotta be cheaper that spittin up $50K or God forbid trading 2 for 1 Can't see it just a very very bad idea.

 

Hey watch it ! :-)

An alum head BB car (no power assist accessories) is only ~ 75 #'s heavier than a base car........(check out the facts below) that's less than a base car with air conditioning, and only ~50# more than a base car with power steering and brakes.

And as far as road course performance goes, I think you may be surprised........it takes a little more muscle to handle the beasts in the corners, but the lap times are impressive. Now I agree if you're talking about low speed parking lot/rubber cone, competition (if you call that racing).

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Car weight statistics (option affects vs. base '67 300hp 3-speed car) from Chevrolet Engineering:

'67 Coupe Curb Weight (full fuel) - 3155# (1555 front, 1600 rear)
'67 Convt. Curb Weight (full fuel) - 3175# (1535 front, 1640 rear)

L79 327/350hp ---------------- 8# lighter (aluminum intake)
L36 427/390 ------------------- 215# heavier (iron intake)
L68 427/400 ------------------- 151# heavier (aluminum intake)
L71 427/435 ------------------- 149# heavier (aluminum intake)
L89 427/Alum. Heads ------- 76# heavier
M20 4-speed ------------------ 5# lighter
M35 Powerglide -------------- 1# heavier
N40 Power Steering ------- 21# heavier
C60 A/C ----------------------- 93# heavier
U69 Radio -------------------- 21# heavier
J50 Power Brakes ---------- 12# heavier
C07 Hardtop ----------------- 49# heavier
C48 Less Heater ------------ 20# lighter
A31 Power Windows ------- 5# heavier
J56 H.D. Brakes ------------- 6# heavier




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Let's not get defensive here. I still maintain that the BB cars are priced way way out of proportion to their incremental "value" above the SB cars. I should clarify my position somewhat.

I enjoy the cars, both the SB and BB cars, but I don't eat sleep and breath the cars. People love em for whatever reason. Different things float different peoples boats. For me I tend to look at the cars as just an amalgamation of parts and pieces (that is both the BB and SB cars). If it needs an engine it needs an engine if it needs a frame it needs a frame just parts and pieces.

I don't really buy into all this icon / legend stuff and I won't pay premiums e the restored or survivor or Bloomington or whatever (and yes that includes original BB cars) are fetching. Just not my style.

I remember when these cars were $5K or $6K NEW and from where I sit they just got older. They did not get justifiably infated to their current crazy price tags they just got older. If I want a BB I will just build one, find a beater that is already NOM and start from there.

The original premise of the post was "2 for 1" I don't care how wonderful that restored BB car is it is just NOT worth 2 SB cars particularly if one has already been nicely restored.


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Why not get a new crate motor (short or long block) and build the BBC car? Gotta be cheaper that spittin up $50K or God forbid trading 2 for 1 Can't see it just a very very bad idea.
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Yeah,.....How about that new GM crate Mill that the General just came out with for the street. Somebody help me here but I think it is like 620 HP on Pump gas.. and runs around 12K.( Corrections Welcome)...

Wht's up with these crazzy prices for BB cars???? It's like there the only BB out there. Ok..I'll give you the originality thing and all that..but if you want o make a BB out of a SB car that is not a Numbers car..then go for the crate.

Then smoke the hell out of the tires...... :jester

 

Ya know that is not chump change when ya start looking at $12k ouch. My LS6, puny 10.2 compression that it is set me back about $2800 but that was over 10 years ago. Funny how prices go up.

I still think the current GM crate 454 would be more than enough to shoot a mid year down the road in style on PUMP gas. After recommending a do it yourself crate motor approach I should add something.

I am one of those guys who looks underneath and inside EVERYTHING. Just the way my daddy raised me. I brough home that LS6 and immediately took it apart. Good thing I did. The Generals men had put a connecting rod cap on backwards!!!! Ever tried to do that? They really don't want to fit. Mr Goodwrench pounded the cap on an torqued it down. Would have been sweet if I fired it up.

At the time I was shopping for the LS6 the dealer took me into the store room. They had an LS7 crate that some racer wanna be ordered but never could afford to buy. The deal they wanted to make was oh so sweet (less than the LS6 by far) but I would have had something that was useless on the street. Should have bought them both!!!!

 

So true my friend, there is no right or wrong, just different...... and I understand what you are saying, regarding what's right for "you" :-)

Me, if I had to keep the car(s), and couldn't sell them..... I'd trade 3 restored 327 cars, for one solid HP BB driver. The $$ value really isn't the issue with some people (in other words; i'd rather have one car I really wanted, than 3 that I don't want).
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Just drive 'em!! It was 24 degrees here this morning and the high was 36 this afternoon, a dusting of snow last night (gone this morning), and I put about 40 miles on the '67 starting about 8:00 AM; heater works great, car runs great, nice sunny day - ran a bunch of errands and was home by 11:00 AM. Nope, don't drive it in the snow or on freshly-salted roads, but if it's dry and clear, it's drive-time :D :steering:

 

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"First of all the BB cars are less balanced and driveable on the street. Go like hell in a straight line but they fall down a little on the twisties. "

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I just returned from a nice little cruise in my 1966 L79.......nice. But, I would like a BB....love my car, but a BB would be cool. I will look to sell/trade my car for a 65-67 BB roadster at some point. :cool:
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Just drive 'em!! It was 24 degrees here this morning and the high was 36 this afternoon, a dusting of snow last night (gone this morning), and I put about 40 miles on the '67 starting about 8:00 AM; heater works great, car runs great, nice sunny day - ran a bunch of errands and was home by 11:00 AM. Nope, don't drive it in the snow.
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I was out this past Sunday with both cars....65-&-86. It was about 60* and cool.
The 86 loves this temp...you can feel it when you smash the pedal to the floor and the Supercharge comes on...!!!! Drove the 86 about 15 miles and put on 40 miles on the rear tires... :lol:

Then came home jumped in the 65 and ran her around and dumped the two toilets on top of the intake a few times....Man That was fun..... :thumbs:

Then Sunday I went out for donuts and drove the 65 thru the church parking lot across the street in first about 4 grand and rapped the side pipes then went for the donut store ...... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

A-Men :cheers:

 

OK, I have to get in on this one. I have an unrestored '66 BB roadster, both tops, original numbers car that I will trade for a '63 SWC FI car that is original. Car has bad gas tank, original paint(bad). An untouched original.

 

Sorry about that 396. But I seem to recall you have all sorts of suspension mods for the twisties. Am I mistaken????? If I was building my own BB car I would load in all the suspension mods I could afford. When I talk about BB handling as being so - so I refer to the blindingly stock BB cars that are equipped as delivered from The Genral.....those are the cars that are garnering the big dollars (like the $10K KO wheels you posted about).

In a preverse way the better handling cars with parts from Guildstrand or other suspension experts are woth LESS than the non DOT tire, stock GM suspension Pristine Mobiles. Ya gotta wonder.

If the purpose is to enjoy the power and handling that the cars are cabable of why a lesser handling car is worth more? Then ya see people payng $5K for non DOT tires and $10K for wheels and the answers are so clear.


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