with Bob, it's just not worth the aggrevation for $300. If the wheel are good you should have no problem selling them to someone else. Now that you know 2 of the wheels haves issues just make sure you bring to the potential buyers attention before hand so that there are no hard feelings afterwards.

 

If you are the aggrieved party, it doesn't do much for your case.[/QUOTE]

How is that ? It does not do much for your case when an unbiased tire shop employee puts the wheels on a balancing machine and determines the wheels are bent...

Yeah... I guess the balancing machine lied on that paticular day...

and your point was ?

The tire shop guy did not even charge the buyer for the work involved to determine the true condition of the wheels... however... the buyer bought them lunch for their trouble...

yeah... the buyer must be a real jerk... just like the guy with the faulty wheel balancer at the tire shop...

It must be everybody elese's fault the wheel were bent... and even when the seller admits to the bent wheels... the buyer is still a jerk, right ?

 

A ZR-1 owner...Big woop-t-doo.

 

I wish it were that simple... when it comes to "wheel trueness" and a $6000 computerized wheel balancer is used to determine wheel balance... their is no gray area... they are either balanced due to uniform dimensions... or out of round and gouged where it counts junk wheels... The seller said the wheels were good... the balancer machine said otherwise...

It is no different than buying a part that is suppose to fit... if the dimensions are out of tolerance... you don't use the part...

Have you ever measured something before?

That is what a wheel balancer does... it measure balance... When the wheels were new and machined to a verified quality control tolerance... they were balanced... once they got hammered on the track, or on the street... they became unbalanced... and... if you can't fix them... that means they are junk ! It happens ever f=day... just drop by a metal recycler and look in the aluminum bin... let me know what you find in there... ok ?

 

Since when does it matter what I drive ? I have an L-98 car also... who gives a rip ? Your way off the topic... but that wasn't your point anyway... putting me down was your main point here...

not the $300 junk wheels...

Get a life...

 

I agree, if the machine that I refered to in this thread was used it would determine if the wheel was useable. In my case one of my ralley wheels had a small dent in it and I was told it could not be used without causing a viberation which is why I brought all my wheels in....I had a vibration that a normal spin balancer could not correct. Balance and out of round are two different issues.

 

Thanks for the reality check gq82... it seems that some people in the world have lost thier minds sometimes... or can't get over the fact that a buyer should be satisfied with a purchase from a seller that recants his story in a public forum...

 

Bigvmaxx...... PM sent

 

bigvmaxx, i'll use simple words since you don't read so good.
i never claimed to have taken the wheels and had them checked before i sold them, then misrepresented the truth.
i did state that i have had tires mounted on them several times and every time they balanced out, which happens to be what was stated before. and, if i chose, i could go do again tomorrow. maybe i'm at fault for not asking the tire guy every time if there was any reason the wheels were "unusable", but i figure a good tire guy would probably mention that. i do tend to give people credit sometimes.
now, also as stated, two of the wheels were in near perfect condition (mechanically). additionally, the buyer saw these wheels a couple times before trying to have his tires mounted on them so cosmetic condition was obvious. it's not as though we live across state, or across country, and he opened up a box of junk. i never misrepresented anything. i stated waaaaay back when i first listed them for sale that they were my track wheels.
then, the buyer states he would be willing to buy just two of the rims if they were good. his tire store says no (supposedly) and mine says yes. i guess it's all about who you believe.
i haven't recanted anything and i stand by my intial post.
i'm curious how you have the nerve to come here and start talking smack after i took his word and refunded his money only to find out that "bent and unusable" is
i'm also curious to know (if you were the buyer) if you think that $300 is expensive for a set of rims that are used, you have been told are used and you've seen in person.
i'm also curious to know if you wouldn't have at least asked the seller if you could take the wheels and have them checked first just to be sure.
i'm also curious to know if you had forgotten to ask that question only to find out, supposedly, one, two, three or all four wheels were bent, would the seller then have been an evil bastard for selling wheels he had no reason to doubt were in perfectly usable condition? would you have been at fault at all? do you claim resposibility for anything that happens to you?
then i'm curious to know how you think i am somehow being unethical by selling "junk" (your word) only to have two wheel shops supposedly disagreeing (again, i haven't confirmed his shop said anything. i'm still taking him at his word about what the tire shop said, but i'm skeptical)
ultimately, (i should put this at the top since you apparently don't read and digest an entire thread before you post...) you miss the point all together. i'm mad at this member not because he wasn't satisfied with his purchase, but because he calls me on a sunday afternoon and tells me all four of my wheels are bent (b.s.) and "if you were a man of your word", i'd drop what i'm doing and drive over to his tire store and refund his money on the spot. 'call me up and give me some kind of psych trip, kiss my a$$! talk about no tact.
and that's why i now have no use for you. you come on here, making assumptions and attacking me as changing my story or slandering some poor, innocent buyer who had no chance and couldn't defend himself from me, the evil, wicked trickster who knowingly sold him $300 worth of future coke cans. **** off.

 

If I offended you... sorry... However... if the buyer asked you about the condition of the wheels as to being true, round, and not bent... and your answer was "yes"... that would indicate to most people the wheels were good... The buyer is a very prudent type, however we all make mistakes... the mistake was not going together to the tire shop and getting a readout on the wheels... as others have mentioned...

Now... this "a man of your word" stuff... You can take that anyway you want... as an example... do you stand behind what you sell ? If the wheels are as good as you say they are... and the price is a bargain by most peoples standards... then... as others have said... you should have no problem finding another buyer...

The flaming issue... you started the flaming on the buyer... You didn't need to bring this to a public forum... this was better left as a private conversation...so... did it get to hot for you ?

You attacked the buyer for a number of issues... did you not ?
Your still attacking... Most of the time I just ask questions... and that seems to get a response...

The buyer handled you the way you needed to be handled... and that was by going to the core of who you are... and... you handled it, but at a price...

He read your post... and he won't respond... because he knows it will only get the issue of value distorted even further... you have your opinion and he has his opinion... and their will not be a meeting of the minds anytime soon on these track wheels...

 

This is getting a little heated....... IBTL

 

You guys obviously live close enough to each other....break out the gloves and get it sorted locally

Ding, Ding

 

Amen brother

 

I have to say, I don't know either of the people involved in this, but I have bought (and sold) a number of used parts. When you buy used parts from an individual, you are buying them "as is". If you want them checked out prior to the sale, that's fine. If you wait till after the sale to have the merchandise inspected, that is your fault.
I don't think it is reasonable to expect to buy used parts at used prices and then expect the same kind of service that you would get from a business selling new parts.
When I buy an old carburetor at a swap meet, I assume that it isn't perfect. That's why is is cheaper than a new one. If I wanted perfect merchandise, I would buy it new, pay the full price, and complain loudly when it wasn't.
It's a trade off. You buy used stuff, you pay less. It isn't always perfect.

 

a I agree. They are used parts, the buyer inspects and if he is happy he pays and it is a done deal.
How are you going to check them? If the tires are off you could mount them on one of your front wheels and spin them and use something against the side and the front to see if the runout is really that bad.

 

I can't fully agree with that. It's true to a certain degree. If you bought a used perfomace engine for $4000 ( at a $1500 savings over new) that was sold in running order but after having it checked at the machine shop they find both aluminum heads cracked, carburator leaking, and crank bearings knocking, you would just keep your mouth shut. The seller didn't misrepresent what he sold, he said it would run.

If I were buying used wheels, I would not expect them to be in brand new condition when they are selling for a fraction of what they cost new. However, I would expect them (all 4) to be physically fit but not cosmetically perfect. Had the seller known 2 of them were bent, he probably would have said so. He was unaware until both he and the buyer had them checked. I give the seller credit for doing the right thing. He did what was right and moral. He can now sell these as 2 good wheels and 2 not so good wheels. Now if someone buys them, they know what they are getting.

 

Hell, I can't afford to buy anything, so I guess it doesn't matter what I think......

 

 

forget it.

 

Neutral corners gentlemen.

Before you get mad in public try pm's and I also thought bold print was yelling.

Bill