Crate vs. Rebuilt -- let's get our terms straight!
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Le Mans Master
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From: Coming home from Luckenbach Texas
Crate vs. Rebuilt -- let's get our terms straight!
The term "crate" motor has been misused a lot lately. So here goes:
Crate motor: An engine that is 100% new -- in the crate. GM Performance Parts sells crate engines. Edelbrock does too...but even they start with a GMPP block.
Remanufactured motor: An engine that is overhauled with a significant amount of new parts.
Rebuilt motor: An engine with used parts that are (hopefully) still within spec. Broken and worn parts are replaced.
Crate motor: An engine that is 100% new -- in the crate. GM Performance Parts sells crate engines. Edelbrock does too...but even they start with a GMPP block.
Remanufactured motor: An engine that is overhauled with a significant amount of new parts.
Rebuilt motor: An engine with used parts that are (hopefully) still within spec. Broken and worn parts are replaced.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Coming home from Luckenbach Texas
Originally Posted by cannonfl
If one was to get the crate 350ci short block and wanted 350-400 hp on low octane what would you recommendations be?
Originally Posted by Mike Ward
We have to first fix the usage of the term 'matching numbers'
Instructor
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From: Tampa Bay Florida
Originally Posted by page62
Don't mess around playing jigsaw puzzle. Buy a ZZ4 -- which is a crate engine.
Because you live in Quebec, you are only allowed to use the term "matching numbers" in French.
Because you live in Quebec, you are only allowed to use the term "matching numbers" in French.
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/stor...2609-P4C2.aspx
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Le Mans Master
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From: Coming home from Luckenbach Texas
Originally Posted by big_G
The ZZ4 requires premium fuel.
Pumping premium into the tank is a much cheaper alternative!
Le Mans Master
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From: Little Rock AR
Matching numbers means either all of the restamps look good or that the previous owner told the current owner that the numbers match (but nobody has admitted that they did check them and they didn't match) 
Does that make any sense? 
-Mark.
Does that make any sense? -Mark.
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Originally Posted by page62
Remanufactured motor: An engine that is overhauled with a significant amount of new parts.
Rebuilt motor: An engine with used parts that are (hopefully) still within spec. Broken and worn parts are replaced.
What is "significant amount of new parts" How many and what types?
Sounds like a grey area to me.
And it sounds like some 'rebuilt' motors begin as a rebuild but end as a 'remanufactured' or 'crate' engine.
So at what point does the rebuilt motor become a remanufactured motor?
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From: Coming home from Luckenbach Texas
Originally Posted by Techno
What is "significant amount of new parts" How many and what types? Sounds like a grey area to me.
Drifting
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From: Celeste Texas
If I use all new grey bolts, nuts and washers does that count as a significant amount of new parts? And if they all have a 1 stamped on them does it count as matching numbers? 
Sorry I had to ask.
Bill
Sorry I had to ask.
Bill
Drifting
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From: Burlington WI
And mine was a crate...
Originally Posted by page62
The term "crate" motor has been misused a lot lately. So here goes:
Crate motor: An engine that is 100% new -- in the crate. GM Performance Parts sells crate engines. Edelbrock does too...but even they start with a GMPP block.
Remanufactured motor: An engine that is overhauled with a significant amount of new parts.
Rebuilt motor: An engine with used parts that are (hopefully) still within spec. Broken and worn parts are replaced.
Crate motor: An engine that is 100% new -- in the crate. GM Performance Parts sells crate engines. Edelbrock does too...but even they start with a GMPP block.
Remanufactured motor: An engine that is overhauled with a significant amount of new parts.
Rebuilt motor: An engine with used parts that are (hopefully) still within spec. Broken and worn parts are replaced.
Burning Brakes
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From: Scottsboro Alabama
Many years ago when we would see an old oil burning decrepit piece of junk car going down the road we would exclaim "Look at that old piece of sh#t crate"! I wonder now if they were powered by "CRATE" engines.
I wonder now if they were powered by "CRATE" engines.
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St. Jude Donor '03,'11
Originally Posted by Older Than Dirt
Many years ago when we would see an old oil burning decrepit piece of junk car going down the road we would exclaim "Look at that old piece of sh#t crate"!
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From: Arlington TN
Originally Posted by cannonfl
Thanks for the info.
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/stor...2609-P4C2.aspx
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/stor...2609-P4C2.aspx
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