frame rust II... birdcage rust
Drifting
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From: Ontario
Originally Posted by surkon
the shop has all the equiptment to pull a body off an even more rusted frame. they have a car lift that lifts on multiple parts of the frame. trust me it can be done. dont you worry your head.
and as for a starting point i think its a fine start.i mean if i buy another corvette around these parts it WILL have rust. probably not as much as my car but it will still have the problem. this way i will have a perfectly cleen start. all the rust will be gone. after the frame and BC swap it will be pretty much mint.
in the words of good ol Jerry Reed "im gonna do what they say cant be done."
and as for a starting point i think its a fine start.i mean if i buy another corvette around these parts it WILL have rust. probably not as much as my car but it will still have the problem. this way i will have a perfectly cleen start. all the rust will be gone. after the frame and BC swap it will be pretty much mint.
in the words of good ol Jerry Reed "im gonna do what they say cant be done."
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i think im the most stubborn person on earth. even the guys at the corvette shop told me to keep parting the car out an option. and yes i mught still act on that. i have the # for another lawier that worked for my family before. i plan on giving him a call and see what he has to say. if i can get the deserved compo then i will go ahead with the resto plans. but if in the end i waste my time and money with the lawier i guess ill get rid of the car. well see what "Titanics" future will be.
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by surkon
i think im the most stubborn person on earth. even the guys at the corvette shop told me to keep parting the car out an option. well see what "Titanics" future will be.
The car is not salvagable. Even if you obtain a partial refund, you're still throwing good money after bad. Settle for nothing less than a full refund or part the car and cut your losses.
Burning Brakes
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From: Clinton IL
I think there is no reason this car can't be saved.
From a personal accountability perspective (unless you bought the car over the phone or internet), you should have been able lay down and look under the car and see this rust. It is 25 years old and $10K cdn. I would think those two factors would have caused you to look a bit before you bought.
Buyer beware!
Okay, now that I have slapped you around a bit...let me bring you some encouragement. Just cruise through my site
http://www.mcspeed.homestead.com/Photo_Gallery.html
And see what is possible with a car that was otherwise left for scrap.
This is another one I worked on that was so rotten the body was sagging.
http://www.tropiczoneracing.com/Street-Vette.htm
Don't listen to the naysayers.
nay·say ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ns)
tr.v. nay·said, (-sd) nay·say·ing, nay·says (-sz)
To oppose, deny, or take a pessimistic or negative view of:
After all, you are looking for help to repair this, not abandon it to a scrap yard.
Now...get out there and grind some rust!!!!!
From a personal accountability perspective (unless you bought the car over the phone or internet), you should have been able lay down and look under the car and see this rust. It is 25 years old and $10K cdn. I would think those two factors would have caused you to look a bit before you bought.
Buyer beware!
Okay, now that I have slapped you around a bit...let me bring you some encouragement. Just cruise through my site
http://www.mcspeed.homestead.com/Photo_Gallery.html
And see what is possible with a car that was otherwise left for scrap.
This is another one I worked on that was so rotten the body was sagging.
http://www.tropiczoneracing.com/Street-Vette.htm
Don't listen to the naysayers.
nay·say ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ns)
tr.v. nay·said, (-sd) nay·say·ing, nay·says (-sz)
To oppose, deny, or take a pessimistic or negative view of:
After all, you are looking for help to repair this, not abandon it to a scrap yard.
Now...get out there and grind some rust!!!!!
Drifting
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From: Ontario
Originally Posted by 69Myway
I think there is no reason this car can't be saved.
Don't listen to the naysayers.
Don't listen to the naysayers.
What we are saying is that it does not make any sense to restore this particular vette of this model year and shape. It would be much cheaper and faster to part it out and buy another that does not have the extensive rust damage that this has.
Racer
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From: Nassau
There is another way to look at this. He might not be able to come up with enough to buy another vette in good shape all as one lump sum. Its alot easier to come up with 2-3k at a time rather than say 10-15k. I bought my vette cheap knowing Id have to put alot into it to get what I wanted. I also knew that if I waited to be able to afford a nice one it would probably never happen. Whatever I spend on the car you have to add 60% on top of for the import duty and then there is the shipping too.
I am quite happy to pay out for what I want one piece at a time. I also want my car to be better than stock so would be replacing alot of parts for high performance parts too. Ill never get the car sold for what I have in it but I dont have any plans to sell it in my lifetime anyway. If he enjoys wrenching on his car there is no reason he shouldnt try to bring it back from the dead. As Long as he goes into it knowing the car will never be worth what he pumped into it.
I am quite happy to pay out for what I want one piece at a time. I also want my car to be better than stock so would be replacing alot of parts for high performance parts too. Ill never get the car sold for what I have in it but I dont have any plans to sell it in my lifetime anyway. If he enjoys wrenching on his car there is no reason he shouldnt try to bring it back from the dead. As Long as he goes into it knowing the car will never be worth what he pumped into it.
Burning Brakes
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From: Clinton IL
Originally Posted by carguy4sure
69Myway...I do not recall anyone saying it could not be done!!! Who said that...perhaps I missed a post.
What we are saying is that it does not make any sense to restore this particular vette of this model year and shape. It would be much cheaper and faster to part it out and buy another that does not have the extensive rust damage that this has.
What we are saying is that it does not make any sense to restore this particular vette of this model year and shape. It would be much cheaper and faster to part it out and buy another that does not have the extensive rust damage that this has.
Okay, now drive it for two years and sell it. What will it bring? $30-$35K?
That is a loss of approx $20K!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, if he paid $10K cnd for this car, then spends $10K more fixing it back up and sells it....He still had the Vette experience and lost half as much as somebody buying a new one that is "worth" the money!
Hey, I just found out the other day you can't take it with you when you die. Might as well spend it know, learn some lessons, and have fun.
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From: near Ocala Florida
Originally Posted by 69Myway
Hey, I just found out the other day you can't take it with you when you die. Might as well spend it know, learn some lessons, and have fun.
Honest question, what happened the "other day"?
If you were joking, then I'm a dork
Burning Brakes
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From: Clinton IL
Originally Posted by mrjbq
Honest question, what happened the "other day"?
If you were joking, then I'm a dork
If you were joking, then I'm a dork
Yep...and I am back from the otherside to prove it is true!
Actually, our preacher used this point in his sermon last week in church. Good stuff.
Instructor
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From: near Ocala Florida
Originally Posted by 69Myway
Yep...and I am back from the otherside to prove it is true!
Actually, our preacher used this point in his sermon last week in church. Good stuff.
That's what I thought you meant
But, we can take our kids with us
Racer
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From: Oradell NJ
Try and sue as cost efficently as possible. Then throw in the towel. Most cars depreciate anyway. Figure you just lost yours all at once and buy another while taking your time and getting a great deal. If your patient, they do come around. Cut your losses. If it hurts now, it's gonna hurt a lot worse after the hard work and the money woes. Think of it's value and potential value. It's NOT a museum piece. Just another 80. Motion? no. Baldwin? no. Nickey? no. Big Block? no. Anything special? no. Let it go. A good starting point can be the beginning of an enjoyable project. A bad starting point getting worse daily is misery. Cut your losses. Let's face it, most wouldn't take it for free. Why should you pour money and sweat into it? Sell what parts you can and move on. Sorry this happened to you. Good luck.
Burning Brakes
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From: Clinton IL
Too bad you can't do much with an 80 Vette. I mean...look at this sick 81 that we have been working on in the pictures below. Sat down and looked at his receipts last year. Between the purchase price of this car the basic repairs, then the mods...well, he just has more in it than it is worth! I think he should sell it for whatever he can get for it now and cut his losses!
Surkon's exterior, glass, trim, and interior look to be in great shape on this car. That is a FAR cry from the twisted broken body that was on this 81 and totally trashed interior and trim.
If I was in Surkon's shoes and realized I had just screwed up with this rotten frame & birdcage, then I would sit back and try to figure out how to make some lemonade out of my lemon. Life is too short to go chasing the seller around court. It is just going to cost more money, more hassle, and delay getting on with the project. Somewhere out there is a C3 that has burned and is good for nothing more than yanking the frame and birdcage. In sweeps Surkon with his welder buddy, a good solid plan, and a vision for making his 80 kick some major asphalt when he is done!
Surkon's exterior, glass, trim, and interior look to be in great shape on this car. That is a FAR cry from the twisted broken body that was on this 81 and totally trashed interior and trim.
If I was in Surkon's shoes and realized I had just screwed up with this rotten frame & birdcage, then I would sit back and try to figure out how to make some lemonade out of my lemon. Life is too short to go chasing the seller around court. It is just going to cost more money, more hassle, and delay getting on with the project. Somewhere out there is a C3 that has burned and is good for nothing more than yanking the frame and birdcage. In sweeps Surkon with his welder buddy, a good solid plan, and a vision for making his 80 kick some major asphalt when he is done!
Drifting
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From: Cedar,BC
From Calgary,eh?Most of us around here don't waste time with lawyers, most problems get solved the old fashioned frontier way.Don't waste your time and money with the legal system,most Alberta judges would probably cry"caveat emptor" and YOU will have to prove YOUR "due diligence" against the vendor.An education costs money,you will probably be better off using that energy and money to either bail out or repair the car.Check out the Quick Times swap meet in Red Deer this Saturday(18th),you may find some good parts or leads.
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Originally Posted by chevy69
Hey Surkon, you still out there? How about an update on your car? I haven't seen a post from you in a while - hope all is well 