Serious question about numbers matching
1st Gear
Joined: Jun 2005
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From: Arlington TX
Originally Posted by another-user
not a chance in hell.
i really dont care about numbers matching at all. whenever i restore my 69, which is numbers matching (to the best of my knowledge) ill be completly moddng the car.
i really dont care about numbers matching at all. whenever i restore my 69, which is numbers matching (to the best of my knowledge) ill be completly moddng the car.
I had this guy at a bar telling me about his numbers matching 1966 Mustang. He expected me to be impressed. I laughed at him and said I'd be more impressed if he'd drop in a Chevy 350 and do something about the springs. (I love those late 60s Mustangs, but they sag a bit in the butt.) He looked at me like I'd grown a second head!
Sorry, I had to pipe in on this thread. Normally, I just lurk.
Ramona
Last edited by 69VetteGrrl; Mar 2, 2006 at 11:49 AM.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Nashville TN
I agree with Greg but when I started to write almost the same thing I started thinking that the car in question is only three years off from a 72. What would need to change to make the 75 more desirable in numbers matching in todays day and age that hasnt already been done? I still agree with Greg but I think its a hard line to sell due to them being so close in years but in such different categories.
I would still keep the matching numbers parts because you never know with this economy, the crazes and fads that are bound to happen.
I would still keep the matching numbers parts because you never know with this economy, the crazes and fads that are bound to happen.
Safety Car
Joined: Jun 2004
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From: Lakeland Florida
Last month I bought a 1975 L82.
Engine, distributor, carb, auto trans and rear end are all numbers matching.
The alternator was obviously replaced because it had NAPA on it.
So for me, I am not a fanatic about true numbers matching, but I like the fact that all of the parts are original. I dont plan on hot rodding this car, or making it out to a dragster. I just want a nice looking, stock, easy riding classic car.
I paid $8000 for it.
Paint is a 7.5 out of 10.
Carpet is new,
Door panels are new
Seats were replaced, but need it again.
Deluxe interior
AC works- ( bonus!)
after market rims, that need to be replaced with Rallys.
So its not a 100% stock car, but the price was very good considering all the parts that would be replaced without altering the numbers matching criteria, have been replaced.
And its a daily driver.
kdf
Engine, distributor, carb, auto trans and rear end are all numbers matching.
The alternator was obviously replaced because it had NAPA on it.
So for me, I am not a fanatic about true numbers matching, but I like the fact that all of the parts are original. I dont plan on hot rodding this car, or making it out to a dragster. I just want a nice looking, stock, easy riding classic car.
I paid $8000 for it.
Paint is a 7.5 out of 10.
Carpet is new,
Door panels are new
Seats were replaced, but need it again.
Deluxe interior
AC works- ( bonus!)
after market rims, that need to be replaced with Rallys.
So its not a 100% stock car, but the price was very good considering all the parts that would be replaced without altering the numbers matching criteria, have been replaced.
And its a daily driver.
kdf
Race Director
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Originally Posted by Greg
Hey Rich,
I totally agree.
I can't tell you how many times I've sold one of my Corvettes and one of the buyer's first questions is "Is it numbers match?" Then followed up with their second question " I don't really know what numbers matching means, can you explain it to me?"
I mean...why the heck do they care if they don't even understand it?
I always tell them the same thing: When you're flying down the highway at 70 miles an hour, looking great and feeling great in your new Vette, nobody's going to care if the numbers match. It's just a bonus to some if they do match, but going overboard like the guy looking for a "numbers spring" is just taking all the fun out of what these cars were really built for in the first place.
Best,
Greg
I totally agree.
I can't tell you how many times I've sold one of my Corvettes and one of the buyer's first questions is "Is it numbers match?" Then followed up with their second question " I don't really know what numbers matching means, can you explain it to me?"
I mean...why the heck do they care if they don't even understand it?
I always tell them the same thing: When you're flying down the highway at 70 miles an hour, looking great and feeling great in your new Vette, nobody's going to care if the numbers match. It's just a bonus to some if they do match, but going overboard like the guy looking for a "numbers spring" is just taking all the fun out of what these cars were really built for in the first place.
Best,
Greg
My 78 is "numbers",and the road trip vette...and I could care less about non matching hose clamps...
Drifting
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Yooperville MI
Being from the rust belt, I felt there was one thing to consider on his '75. If it's been a California car all of it's life, it may be a very solid project for someone. Granted it's going to take some time for bone stock urethane cars to appreciate but 25+ years ago chrome bumper C3's were in the same downgrade situation. I feel every generation of Vette goes through certain stages; the driving stage, the modification stage, the parked stage, and the resto stage. It's a wonder so many are still #s match. Consider in 1978, a #2 '68 sb roadster was worth about $3,500 and in 1979 a '65 roadster was worth about $4000 in #3 condition (I purchased these back then).
As chrome bumper C3's continue to escalate in value as the C2's have, the urethane cars will naturally become more desireable, it may take until 2015 before the urethane cycle starts, but the urethane cars will escalate and numbers match might be just as important in the future as today.
As chrome bumper C3's continue to escalate in value as the C2's have, the urethane cars will naturally become more desireable, it may take until 2015 before the urethane cycle starts, but the urethane cars will escalate and numbers match might be just as important in the future as today.
Team Owner
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From: Springfield MO
St. Jude Donor '07
Originally Posted by Greg
The low horsepower, boring and uncollectable '76 Corvette sold a record 46,558 coupes. It outsold the much better handling, higher horsepower C5/C6's at about a 2:1 ratio which means the public obviously prefers a car that looks great and perfoms mediocre to a car that looks mediocre and performs great.
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Just another Corvette guy
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From: Palm Springs, CA.
ahoover I think you're right on target.
You have a valid point there, Batman. The MSRP figures aren't truly parallell considering the time/dollar difference. Also, the demographics have changed from the point where Corvettes were marketed mostly to younger people wanting a sporty car which was priced out of range to the average Joe, to the point now, where the cost is actually prohibitive to most younger buyers who aren't at the peak of their earning/financial capabilities. So this also seems to validate your point by simple supply and demand.
Best,
Greg
You have a valid point there, Batman. The MSRP figures aren't truly parallell considering the time/dollar difference. Also, the demographics have changed from the point where Corvettes were marketed mostly to younger people wanting a sporty car which was priced out of range to the average Joe, to the point now, where the cost is actually prohibitive to most younger buyers who aren't at the peak of their earning/financial capabilities. So this also seems to validate your point by simple supply and demand.
Best,
Greg
Le Mans Master
Joined: Jul 2005
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From: Austin Texas
Originally Posted by Greg
ahoover I think you're right on target.
You have a valid point there, Batman. The MSRP figures aren't truly parallell considering the time/dollar difference. Also, the demographics have changed from the point where Corvettes were marketed mostly to younger people wanting a sporty car which was priced out of range to the average Joe, to the point now, where the cost is actually prohibitive to most younger buyers who aren't at the peak of their earning/financial capabilities. So this also seems to validate your point by simple supply and demand.
Best,
Greg
You have a valid point there, Batman. The MSRP figures aren't truly parallell considering the time/dollar difference. Also, the demographics have changed from the point where Corvettes were marketed mostly to younger people wanting a sporty car which was priced out of range to the average Joe, to the point now, where the cost is actually prohibitive to most younger buyers who aren't at the peak of their earning/financial capabilities. So this also seems to validate your point by simple supply and demand.
Best,
Greg
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Hey Big G,
Sorry, I think you misunderstood my post. I agree the C2 was out of range for the average Joe but still attainable to a wider market than the C5/C6's simply based on price.
Sorry, I think you misunderstood my post. I agree the C2 was out of range for the average Joe but still attainable to a wider market than the C5/C6's simply based on price.
Melting Slicks
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From: mesa,az
a little late to restore this 75. the reason i picked it for my little project is because i don't think a 75 will EVER be worth that much, no matter what the numbers are.
Last edited by panchop; Mar 2, 2006 at 02:28 PM.
