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I saw this vette for sale and 'survivor' and 'all original' was used rather loosely in my opinion. Now it says repainted (factory original color repaint several years ago...). My biggest beef is with the engine bay; it is gutted of all signs of emissions equipment (the A.I.R. tubes are stubs at the exhaust manifolds, only indication of the emissions besides the PCV valve) and the fuel line is rigged with alot of hose vs. the hard fuel line that takes a turn around the former smog pump and the air cleaner looks like a cheap import chrome unit. Also, no mention that these pieces are included in boxes.
What does NCRS and other orgs say makes a 'survivor'?
I dont know much but I agree many terms are loosly thrown around when selling a car. Survivor and NCRS Survivor are two way different animals as far as im concerned. I can have a POS non numbers matching 1968 something and call it a survivor just because it still runs and drives. Just means it lasted a long time against all odds. An NCRS Survivor would have a greater meaning on originality and I wish I was well versed enough to tell you what it is but its not my bag. There are many people here with the knowlege who could tell you exactly what it is. What it means to me = EXPENSIVE!
N.C.R.S. uses the term "Bow-tie" instead of "Survivor", which is a Bloomington award.
NCRS - CHEVROLET BOWTIE Award®
This award was created by the National Corvette Restorers Society in 1992. The Bowtie award recognizes the unrestored Corvette and encourages the owner to retain and display the car in its present condition for the enjoyment and continuing educational benefit of our membership. The award is earned only at a National Convention by unrestored cars successfully judged and voted to be historically and educationally significant in four areas (Interior, Exterior, Mechanical and Chassis). This award is available to any model year currently judged by NCRS which was manufactured 20 or more years ago. Regardless of change in ownership or judging result the car may never be presented for judging again. The judged section requires an 80 to 85% pass with the following standard "Does the item, part, fabric, plating or coating appear to actually be that which was specifically installed or applied on this car at the time of manufacture". If this is successfully passed the vote with the following standard "Does the area judged display significant educational and historical value which should be preserved in its present condition" is taken. Passing both sections in all four areas earns the NCRS - Chevrolet Bowtie award. As of end of the 2001 season, only 135 Corvettes have received this award.
SURVIVOR®
As the name implies, Corvettes that have never been restored have ‘survived’ intentional or unintentional loss of original markings, paint or components. Corvettes remaining over 50% unrestored or unmodified may qualify for this award if they remain in a condition that would serve well as an historic guide for others who want to restore a Corvette of that vintage and type. This award is designed to recognize those Corvettes that are “Worn in, but not worn out.” A Survivor Corvette is significantly unrestored, unrepaired, or unmodified and useful as a historic reference. It is a Corvette who in the best interest of research should not be restored or improved. Again, as with Certification, the cars are judged against a factory standard and not against one another. The technical portion of the judging is eliminated and instead the Corvettes must complete a 40 mile road test under their own power in an established time frame. Survivors must pass at least 3 of the 4 categories of exterior, interior, engine/compartment and chassis.
Since the advent of this award, there is now a reason for further preservation of Corvettes whose histories and character may have otherwise been lost. Survivor judging also offers 5 specialty awards: highest mileage, lowest mileage, best documentation, best ‘War Story’ and best photo album /scrapbook of the car. Survivor judging is fun and the Survivor Corvettes become a member of an elite group of historically significant cars. Survivor Corvettes are the Corvettes judges and restorers seek out to study.
Mostly untouched. Like said above for the survivor it is 3 out of 4 categories. I owned a Bloomington Survivor for a while and it had new carpet and new seat covers, but the paint, engine, and undercarriage were original unrestored. Also, of note is that a survivor doesn't have to be in great condition. My car had a pretty good coat of surface rust on the frame and lots of chips and cracks in the paint. The car needed to be restored to be presentable. I sold it to someone that could restore it correctly.
A 'survivor' is not ever repainted IMO. When I hear the term, I think of a car that is pretty much all original, but probably needs some TLC to be show worthy. I guess technically my 454-mile '82 Collectors Ed is a survivor, but surviving climate controlled storage and the occasional drive around town probably doesn't count
From: Lake Arrowhead - Georgia > 72 Base Coupe & 74 BB Roadster
Based on the info above....I might have a 72 base 350 survivor. Appears to have everything original except someone put chrome valve covers on it. It has 54,000 miles. I think I may inventory the numbers from the water pump...etc...and see if they are correct for a 72. I can find no evidence of a repaint....but then...I am no expert. Makes me wonder though.
Mostly untouched. Like said above for the survivor it is 3 out of 4 categories. I owned a Bloomington Survivor for a while and it had new carpet and new seat covers, but the paint, engine, and undercarriage were original unrestored. Also, of note is that a survivor doesn't have to be in great condition. My car had a pretty good coat of surface rust on the frame and lots of chips and cracks in the paint. The car needed to be restored to be presentable. I sold it to someone that could restore it correctly.
Very well said guys as a survivor vette is a untouched,mostly original and for the most part scuffed up.As the BLOOMINGTON GOLD saying goes...WORN IN NOT WORN OUT.
Very well said guys as a survivor vette is a untouched,mostly original and for the most part scuffed up.As the BLOOMINGTON GOLD saying goes...WORN IN NOT WORN OUT.
Also "A SURVIVOR can be restored, but a restored car cannot be a SURVIVOR"......................LT