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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 10:21 PM
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Saw these at a car show, but would make a tri-pod version for safety while working under it. Looks to be very sturdy, while retaining suspension geometry for long periods of work under the car.


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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 10:26 PM
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Cinder-blocks work great too!
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Cinder-blocks work great too!
looks like your avatar ran into one.........& needs some dental work & plastic surgery .......
THATS SCARY LOOKING .....YIKES !!!
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 10:56 PM
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looks like it needs a wider base cause it looks like if you pushed it from side to side it would tip over some
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Very interesting.
Probably very cool for display purposes, but pretty useless for working on the brakes, rotors or suspension etc.
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Please!!! dont use those. They can crumble...the concrete for these are not hard enough. Hit them with a hammer and you will see what I mean. It is not safe to get under a car that is up on cinder blocks. Depending on the cement mix/manufacturer you are putting yourself at risk. With pressure and time they will fall apart.
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Originally Posted by Edzred72
Saw these at a car show, but would make a tri-pod version for safety while working under it. Looks to be very sturdy, while retaining suspension geometry for long periods of work under the car.


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It's an easy job for my CNC plasma cutter but there is a lot of waste...
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Please!!! dont use those. They can crumble...the concrete for these are not hard enough. Hit them with a hammer and you will see what I mean. It is not safe to get under a car that is up on cinder blocks. Depending on the cement mix/manufacturer you are putting yourself at risk. With pressure and time they will fall apart.
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EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
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[QUOTE=Edzred72;1558464405]Saw these at a car show, but would make a tri-pod version for safety while working under it. Looks to be very sturdy, while retaining suspension geometry for long periods of work under the car.

Eddie, why brother when a good set of 3 1/2 ton floors jacks do the job and are cheap and very safe. Those don't look safe to me I won't be under that car. Save your money for other vette goodies.
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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 09:44 AM
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That is a very interesting concept with it bolted to the lugs but I would not get under that car. If that stand had some side support also then it would be great but as it is those stands could bend and colapse from a side load on the car.
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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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So let's see... I loosen the lugs on my tires, jack the car up, remove the lugs and tires, bolt that device on my wheel and set it down. Or, I can jack the car up, place jack stands on the frame rails and set the car on the jacks. First choice gives you no option to work on the brakes or other components on the wheels. Second choice does. Just because someone can design and make something, doesn't mean it will work any better. Not sure why I would use something like that. Doesn't look too stable.
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Look like widow makers!
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Originally Posted by Edzred72
Saw these at a car show, but would make a tri-pod version for safety while working under it. Looks to be very sturdy, while retaining suspension geometry for long periods of work under the car.


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69 Camaro with a 3.73 12-bolt positraction rear axle and deep tone dual exhaust and no style trim package. Probably a Z/28 right? Looks like it might be Fathom Green. SWEET!

As for the stands - They look cool but not all that practical.

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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 10:44 PM
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You couldn't pay me enough to sit my car on those stands, let alone go under it.

The design is VERY prone to buckling. There IS some relatively modest side load that will send the car crashing down.

If you want to attach to the wheel studs, you need a three point support as least as wide and long as a regular jack stand.

I suppose you could take an aluminum (or steel) wheel and flatten its bottom, and add height at the flat to provide the height you want if you really think you need to keep the weight on the suspension.
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by stingr69
69 Camaro with a 3.73 12-bolt positraction rear axle and deep tone dual exhaust and no style trim package. Probably a Z/28 right? Looks like it might be Fathom Green. SWEET!
Mark,

The car is a 1969 L-78 Camaro... Burnished brown with a black interior. It had a lot of work done at the same restoration shop that is doing my '69 Camaro. This car cleaned house at the fall 2006 Chevy/Vettefest from what I recall. Very cool car!





As for the stands - They look cool but not all that practical.
For their intended purpose (indoor judged show or display), they are very practical and allow the detail work on the chassis to be easily observed. For actual service work, I would agree with your comments.

As far as safety... That display stand is made from 1/2" heat treated steel. I would be willing to bet that it is as strong if not stronger than the stamped steel jack stands that most people are comfortable using to work on their car.

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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 10:49 AM
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Just don't push or lean on car...
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 427-390
So let's see... I loosen the lugs on my tires, jack the car up, remove the lugs and tires, bolt that device on my wheel and set it down. Or, I can jack the car up, place jack stands on the frame rails and set the car on the jacks. First choice gives you no option to work on the brakes or other components on the wheels. Second choice does. Just because someone can design and make something, doesn't mean it will work any better. Not sure why I would use something like that. Doesn't look too stable.
The reason for these is that the car is loaded in the same way that it would be if the wheels were on, so you can see how the suspension is affected. Jack stands on the frame or elsewhere, allow the suspension to unload so you can't get a true picture of what's happening. Good if you are working on things like this, but probably pretty rarely needed. In car shows, they let you see what's behind the wheel. Also, they are much stronger than they appear.
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perhaps they are stronger then they appear but i would have a real jack under the frame none the less...it could even be "loose" but it would be there....and i would never use cinder blocks for car repair, i only use real "4 legs jack stands"
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Originally Posted by carguy4sure
Please!!! dont use those. They can crumble...the concrete for these are not hard enough. Hit them with a hammer and you will see what I mean. It is not safe to get under a car that is up on cinder blocks. Depending on the cement mix/manufacturer you are putting yourself at risk. With pressure and time they will fall apart.

A concrete block will hold up a house. However, like all things in life, it has to be done the right way, not the bubba way.

A concrete block is ONLY strong in compression. This means the holes must be up and down, not sideways.

A concrete block is ONLY strong in distributed loads, not point loads. Your hammer is a point load. So is a steel frame resting on it.

Why do you think a 150 lb jackhammer can break a roadway when a 72,000 lb tractor trailer won't?

If you have a concrete block with the holes up and down (imagine that you can fill it with water), and you use a wooden board across the top to spread the load, that car will sit there until your fourth generation come along or the car rusts into and falls off.

Concrete blocks are like a lot of things. Some idiot comes along, uses it wrong and gets hurt (killed), and then everyone screams they aren't safe. Look at motorcycles, convertibles, sports cars, and so on.
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