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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 01:07 PM
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wich is faster on drag, and y i would like both sides of the story

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and what is faster doing math?........a slide rule or a computer



the automatic is faster and more consistent......
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and what is faster doing math?........a slide rule or a computer



the automatic is faster and more consistent......

Somehow, I think the Coughlin family (Jegs) and a few others might disagree. Note the question wasn't specific to Vettes.
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why tho? ive heard a lot of people say that but they hav no reasons behind it, why?

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why tho? ive heard a lot of people say that but they hav no reasons behind it, why?

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Personally, I DON'T think an auto is faster than a stick. I think an auto may be MORE CONSISTENT than a stick for most drivers. And if you are running ET style racing where you have to be within a consistent bracket all the time, it's good for that. But I have seen MANY "heads-up" races where a stick beat an auto no problemo. The newest shifters (vertical gate) and transmissions/clutches don't even need a clutch to shift with. Watch an NHRA Nationals competition on ESPN where they have the camera in the car. You can see the driver shifting. There is NO hesitation between shifts.

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why tho? ive heard a lot of people say that but they hav no reasons behind it, why?

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it has to do with consistency........the more consistent you can perform the better off you are.

but then there are always those who think they are better then the machine
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but then there are always those who think they are better then the machine
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DJ I agree with you if you are spending big big money - for street/strip an auto is probably quicker and more definetly more consistent BUT like everything else in racing - how much do you want to spend?

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DJ I agree with you if you are spending big big money - for street/strip an auto is probably quicker and more definetly more consistent BUT like everything else in racing - how much do you want to spend?

IMHO

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Scott: I KNOW you aren't advocating street racing
There are specific reasons for using an auto and not EVERY drag racer using a stick is SLOWER than "the machine". Actually, a well set up stick is probably a lot LESS than an auto, pricewise. The problem with Vettes is a stick is pretty rough on the rest of the driveline. Autos are a lot less likely to blow out u-joints than a stick. And building a racer on a tight budget is pretty tough to do nowadays.

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The newest shifters (vertical gate) and transmissions/clutches don't even need a clutch to shift with. Watch an NHRA Nationals competition on ESPN where they have the camera in the car. You can see the driver shifting. There is NO hesitation between shifts.

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perhaps trying to tie this question down to auto vs. manual is too narrow unless you define what an auto trans is and what a manual trans is.


i think an auto is faster then a clutch/manual

now when you get into the hybrid shifters i think they are closer to autos then conventional manuals......after all you can manually shift an auto also....
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perhaps trying to tie this question down to auto vs. manual is too narrow unless you define what an auto trans is and what a manual trans is.


i think an auto is faster then a clutch/manual

now when you get into the hybrid shifters i think they are closer to autos then conventional manuals......after all you can manually shift an auto also....
I think you're right Bob. The question is WAY too general.
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I think you're right Bob. The question is WAY too general.
how about this for a definiton......autos have internal clutches??????
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Autos..................more consistent.


Sticks..................more fun!
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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 03:25 PM
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Autos..................more consistent.


Sticks..................more fun!
Without question. Even my wife prefers a stick. When we bought our Odyssey she asked the salesman if you could get it with a manual trans! He said huh?
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auto could be more 'consistent' if you race on a streight line (which means you dont race at all )...but if you're serious about real racing which means accelerations, stops, right turns, left turns and high speeds, well then there is NO alternative to stick...did you ask yourself why rally cars, formula cars (formula one, two, three, formula 3.000, and many others) and various other race cars do not use auto?
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It depends, example, back in the early 60's I beat a guy with my '56 Olds with 324/Hydro and he had a '59 Chevy 348/4 speed. I gained a half car length every time he shifted. Those were the days!
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It depends, example, back in the early 60's I beat a guy with my '56 Olds with 324/Hydro and he had a '59 Chevy 348/4 speed. I gained a half car length every time he shifted. Those were the days!
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you said well...'i beat the guy'...
i'm sure it wasnt your auto trans that have beaten his stick one...
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auto could be more 'consistent' if you race on a streight line (which means you dont race at all )...but if you're serious about real racing which means accelerations, stops, right turns, left turns and high speeds, well then there is NO alternative to stick...did you ask yourself why rally cars, formula cars (formula one, two, three, formula 3.000, and many others) and various other race cars do not use auto?
Actually, Jim Hall Chevy Chaparall Can Am cars back in the old days had a "secret weapon" that blew the sticks out of the water. A "semi-automatic" transmission

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auto could be more 'consistent' if you race on a streight line (which means you dont race at all )...but if you're serious about real racing which means accelerations, stops, right turns, left turns and high speeds, well then there is NO alternative to stick...did you ask yourself why rally cars, formula cars (formula one, two, three, formula 3.000, and many others) and various other race cars do not use auto?
original question was at the drag strip.....
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original question was at the drag strip.....
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