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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 05:55 AM
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I had a 1980 Corvette with hooker headers. No Y-pipes to the cat , no catalytic converter and no Y-pipe back to the mufflers. I took it to a muffler shop and had them run two pipes on each side from my headers to my mufflers. (True duals ) It took them about an hour. Bill was $300 Should I complain ? Was I ripped off ?
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I had a 1980 Corvette with hooker headers. No Y-pipes to the cat , no catalytic converter and no Y-pipe back to the mufflers. I took it to a muffler shop and had them run two pipes on each side from my headers to my mufflers. (True duals ) It took them about an hour. Bill was $300 Should I complain ? Was I ripped off ?
too late to complain now dont ya think ?

are you happy with the work & sound ?

THEN ENJOY YOUR CAR & DON'T LOOK BACK !!
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 08:20 AM
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I had a full custom exaust installed on my '80 with 2.5' pipe and flowmasters. This shop does a very good job with the system completly welded with no clamps and round stock hangers with teflon bushings to the frame. This job was not cheap and I would think your deal was OK if you got a good job.

Exhaust work is never inexspensive. Don't take time into consideration; this is what they do and they are quick. My full system took 4 hours. It would have taken me all day if I had evervthing and was lucky.

Hope it performs and sounds great
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 09:03 AM
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The fact that they did it at all suprises me due to you did not have cats put back on it. Most exhaust shops will NOT put exhaust on without replacing the cats SO when you find one that will do it you will pay accordingly.

I have found that if I pull the plate off teh car and trailer it to the exhaust shop and tell them that it is a race car they usually will do it and not charge as much due to they technically are not doing anything illegal because it is a "race car" and not plated.

I agree with the others, if you are happy and they did a nice job then you did not pay too much.
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 09:04 AM
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Be glad they did the work for you. They broke the law and could be in a lot of trouble if caught.

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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 09:15 AM
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That sounds about right for 2.5 pipe & labor you didn't get ripped off. I took a 72 442 to a shop & used my mufflers (flowmasters) and paid $300 & I get a discount from them. FYI a complete exhaust system from headers to exhaust tips for a 2.5 system w/two performance mufflers runs $600. up to $800. The shop I go to the guy is so goods he signs his name on the system like a work of art. I agree w/the other members if the shop did a nice job, looks good, sounds good and your happy w/the system you got what you paid for. Any cheaper you would have had to do the work yourself. G/L post pic's
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 09:25 AM
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That's why I always ask for estimate . . . no surprises. I paid $200 for my setup which was exactly like yours. I would have paid $300 just to get rid of the old rusty pipes.
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Burnt71
I had a 1980 Corvette with hooker headers. No Y-pipes to the cat , no catalytic converter and no Y-pipe back to the mufflers. I took it to a muffler shop and had them run two pipes on each side from my headers to my mufflers. (True duals ) It took them about an hour. Bill was $300 Should I complain ? Was I ripped off ?
Well you and they are breaking the law - so for $300.00 bucks - which you should have asked for an estimate before hand - one would think you would always want to ask that question before having work done on anything so there aren't any surprises or you can shop somewhere else. Just be happy they didi the work - isn't PA a rather tough state to get antique plates on a car? For example if you submit an application doesn't if have to be in almost "Stock" configuration? What about emissions tests? Don't you have any? Without cats how do you plan on passing that?
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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In Cali, it is a $2500.00 fine for any shop to install non-compliance exhaust on car that requires smog testing...my 78 was illegal for years..and passed....(two cats,duals...) But no shop would touch it or install new pipes with two cats...finally had to bite the bullet and go back to "Y" with single hi-flow cat..

The old system...


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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 11:11 AM
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I just had my 81 done, headers already on it, he removed complete stock system, ran true duals, installed flowmasters that I supplied. All welded. One of the nicest exhaust jobs I have seen. Total price was $110. Anybody in NC/SC, I have his number!
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I ran into the "legal" issues with a local shop when I wanted my 3 inch set of pipes made. The shop insisted on putting a converter back on,and in the stock location,in order to comply with the law. I insisted with 540 hp,that the system had three inch pipes.

We compromised with a three inch system,high flow 3inch cat,all in the stock location. Took him a week to bend,weld and hang it. Cost $600.

Lasted less than six months before the cat was blowing chunks,so I pulled the system,gutted the shell,and re installed.
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by stingr69
Be glad they did the work for you. They broke the law and could be in a lot of trouble if caught.

-Mark.


And a Federal law at that!
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Originally Posted by The Money Pit
I ran into the "legal" issues with a local shop when I wanted my 3 inch set of pipes made. The shop insisted on putting a converter back on,and in the stock location,in order to comply with the law. I insisted with 540 hp,that the system had three inch pipes.

We compromised with a three inch system,high flow 3inch cat,all in the stock location. Took him a week to bend,weld and hang it. Cost $600.

Lasted less than six months before the cat was blowing chunks,so I pulled the system,gutted the shell,and re installed.

You should have taken it back and told him that you wnated it fixed under Warrenty due to HE insisted that you put them on. Then when he rais H--L about it you could have told him I TOLD YOU SO!

With that kind of HP im sure that it did not look stock (or sound stock) you should have pulled the plates and trailered it. Put some numbers on the windows for effect and told him it was a race car. By law if it is a "off road" vehicle they do not have to put converters on it and will not get in trouble. i do believe this is also true with farm plated vehicles.
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 04:23 PM
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Someone beat me to it. Always trailer your race car into the muffler shop for non-cat offroad exhaust.
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I never thought of that.Next time I tweak the pipes I'll know what to do.

At the time I had regular plates,and yes it did sound like a race car. I've since swapped to antique tags,due to newer inpection requirements.In Pa. all emission equipment originally installed on a specific year car,must be present.(Doesn't have to work,but must be "visually present".With the antique tag,it is supposed to remain stock,but there's no required inspection.(You don't ask,...I won't tell.)


This is a special edition "antique",only one ever made.

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Originally Posted by The Money Pit
I never thought of that.Next time I tweak the pipes I'll know what to do.

At the time I had regular plates,and yes it did sound like a race car. I've since swapped to antique tags,due to newer inpection requirements.In Pa. all emission equipment originally installed on a specific year car,must be present.(Doesn't have to work,but must be "visually present".With the antique tag,it is supposed to remain stock,but there's no required inspection.(You don't ask,...I won't tell.)


This is a special edition "antique",only one ever made.
I have also found that if you tell them that it is a auto-x or road course race car and that you have to run exhaust in NCCC they are usually so confused and have NO damn clue what you are saying so they say UH OK!
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A local shop wanted $280 to cut the mufflers of my GTO and install straight pipes in their place.
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