Calling 72ls5fla, Paint Question
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Melting Slicks
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From: Pensacola FLA
Calling 72ls5fla, Paint Question
Hello,
I'm interested in the paint mix formula you used on your beautiful Elkhart Green 72. As I recall, you had it flight judged at the 08 Kissimee meet. One thing in particular is the flake mix you used and how well it passed judging.
Thanks,
Bryan
I'm interested in the paint mix formula you used on your beautiful Elkhart Green 72. As I recall, you had it flight judged at the 08 Kissimee meet. One thing in particular is the flake mix you used and how well it passed judging.
Thanks,
Bryan
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From: Fl
Bryan,
It is Dupont Chromabase with Sekiens Auto-Clear III on top.
The metalics used in today's paint are heavier/bigger than in the lacquer from the 70's.
My car lost some points because there metalic was just a little bit over pronounced. The judge told me that if I had the metalics reduced 30%-45%, it may have layed down better.
However - I don't think it would be a good idea to cut back on metalics, it will alter the hue/shade of the paint. That is one area that I did not get dinged on.
I think that when using Base/CC, you are going to get a little bit more pop with metalics, just becuase of the CC used. The metalics are not suspended in the clear, it give the paint a whole different look than lacquer did.
Hope this helps some.
Bill
It is Dupont Chromabase with Sekiens Auto-Clear III on top.
The metalics used in today's paint are heavier/bigger than in the lacquer from the 70's.
My car lost some points because there metalic was just a little bit over pronounced. The judge told me that if I had the metalics reduced 30%-45%, it may have layed down better.
However - I don't think it would be a good idea to cut back on metalics, it will alter the hue/shade of the paint. That is one area that I did not get dinged on.
I think that when using Base/CC, you are going to get a little bit more pop with metalics, just becuase of the CC used. The metalics are not suspended in the clear, it give the paint a whole different look than lacquer did.
Hope this helps some.
Bill
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Melting Slicks
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Thanks Bill! I remembered you telling me something about the flake at the meet. I'm getting ready to begin some paint work on my car and wanted to get some advice from somebody who just went through the judging process.
The paint on my car appears to be a few shades lighter than the freshly painted Elkhart Green cars that I have looked at..
This is probably due to the age causing a fade.
The paint is lacquer and appears to be about 80% original.
Bryan
The paint on my car appears to be a few shades lighter than the freshly painted Elkhart Green cars that I have looked at..
This is probably due to the age causing a fade.
The paint is lacquer and appears to be about 80% original.
Bryan
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From: Fl
Bryan,
I agree on the age causing a shade difference.
I would suggest taking the fuel lid to the paint shop and have them match the original color on the back side (if it very good condition).
Have them do a pint of 946 by their formula, then have them make a pint from the color gun match. Get an old fiberglass panel and spray the two on each half, then clear.
See which has the more factory look.
When comparing take the painted piece out in the direct sunlight.
the Base/CC really pops the metalics in that kind of light, it will get a lighter shade to it, than when inside (under lights) or in the shade.
Bill
I agree on the age causing a shade difference.
I would suggest taking the fuel lid to the paint shop and have them match the original color on the back side (if it very good condition).
Have them do a pint of 946 by their formula, then have them make a pint from the color gun match. Get an old fiberglass panel and spray the two on each half, then clear.
See which has the more factory look.
When comparing take the painted piece out in the direct sunlight.
the Base/CC really pops the metalics in that kind of light, it will get a lighter shade to it, than when inside (under lights) or in the shade.
Bill
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Melting Slicks
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Have you ever looked at an Elkhart Green car painted with today's version of lacquer paint.
Does the flake have as much pop?
I'm going to start with the hood on my car. It is in need of the most attention.
Thanks for the advice. This should keep me busy over the winter.
Bryan
Does the flake have as much pop?
I'm going to start with the hood on my car. It is in need of the most attention.
Thanks for the advice. This should keep me busy over the winter.
Bryan
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From: Fl
I personally would not use the PPG lacquer.
The lacquer made today is lead free, non cellulose low VOC.
It will not last nearly as long, bad fade issues (for cars that are driven and/or left outside). The cars were also baked from the factory - I have heard this gives more durability to the paint.
The metallics used in the old lacquer are not the same as metallics used in base/single stage or lacquer of todays standards.
I purchased a pint from PPG dealership in CA, painted/buffed and then compared to my fuel door lid - not close. It actually looked just like the Chroma-base/CC test I did, just flatter little less "pop".
So I figured the longevity/durability was more important to me - thats why I did base/CC and did my best to "lacquerfy" the paint job.
Bill
The lacquer made today is lead free, non cellulose low VOC.
It will not last nearly as long, bad fade issues (for cars that are driven and/or left outside). The cars were also baked from the factory - I have heard this gives more durability to the paint.
The metallics used in the old lacquer are not the same as metallics used in base/single stage or lacquer of todays standards.
I purchased a pint from PPG dealership in CA, painted/buffed and then compared to my fuel door lid - not close. It actually looked just like the Chroma-base/CC test I did, just flatter little less "pop".
So I figured the longevity/durability was more important to me - thats why I did base/CC and did my best to "lacquerfy" the paint job.
Bill
