How Do You Feel About Ethanol?
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How Do You Feel About Ethanol?
I realize this topic has been discussed at great length before with the C3 gang - but I'm wondering how many Hagerty customers here filled out Hagerty's "How Do You Feel About Ethanol?" survey that was emailed out this week?
As per the email it says -
The compiled results will appear in the fall 2009 issue of Hagerty’s as part of our latest story about the Hagerty-funded ethanol study at Kettering University.
Good to see Hagerty is doing more than collecting insurance premiums while getting involved in the ethanol issue.
As per the email it says -
The compiled results will appear in the fall 2009 issue of Hagerty’s as part of our latest story about the Hagerty-funded ethanol study at Kettering University.
Good to see Hagerty is doing more than collecting insurance premiums while getting involved in the ethanol issue.
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Hagerty is/are true enthusiasts and do a lot to support the hobby. Ethanol in the US from corn is a crock. Huge waste of money, increases food prices globally, reduces miles per gallon, is a net loser of energy in the production process, and does nothing to reduce our dependence on oil produced by countries that don't like us.
(Haven't received any survey yet)
(Haven't received any survey yet)
Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '09
Hagerty is/are true enthusiasts and do a lot to support the hobby. Ethanol in the US from corn is a crock. Huge waste of money, increases food prices globally, reduces miles per gallon, is a net loser of energy in the production process, and does nothing to reduce our dependence on oil produced by countries that don't like us.
(Haven't received any survey yet)
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It couldn't be said better
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In my opinion, it's just another idea that the environmental extremist latched on to, believing it was a cure all for our energy needs. In reality, it's done nothing but drive up the price of basically everything, being corn based. A recent study by some university in California a few months back revealed that ethanol based fuels actually damage the environment more than regular gasoline. Of course that hasn't deterred the environmentalist. While we're on the subject, here's one for you. While the Russians and Chinese are in the Caribbean, off the coast of Brazil and Venuzuela, building oil rigs, we're getting ready to cover the landscape with windmills and solar panels. Oops, I almost forgot. Everytime they try to build a windmill or solar panel farm, someone starts protesting. Oh Yea, it's the environmentalist! This whole global warming hysteria is probably the biggest hoax that's ever been played on this country, and the world. It has however, produced a few multi-millionaires. Most notably Al Gore. OK, I'll shut up now.
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Hagerty is/are true enthusiasts and do a lot to support the hobby. Ethanol in the US from corn is a crock. Huge waste of money, increases food prices globally, reduces miles per gallon, is a net loser of energy in the production process, and does nothing to reduce our dependence on oil produced by countries that don't like us.
(Haven't received any survey yet)
(Haven't received any survey yet)
All I can add is the fact that it also HASN"T helped reduce gas prices either!
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Survey was emailed out Mon 6/8. For you guys who don't use Hagerty here are the questions asked in their survey, if you're curious -
As both the ethanol industry and policy makers in Washington ponder a mandate to increase the percentage of ethanol in gasoline from E10 to E15 or E20, we want to know what you think.
1 Have you had trouble with your collector car that you attribute to E10?
Yes or No
2 Are you concerned of the effects that E15 (15% ethanol) or E20 (20% ethanol) will have on your collector car?
Yes or No
3 Are you concerned about any of the following (select all that apply)?
Loss of Performance
Damage to Engine or Fuel System
Cost to Modify or Repair Fuel System
Inability to Drive my Collector Car
4 Do you think it’s a good idea to run ethanol in collector cars?
Yes or No
5 Would you or have you rebuilt your fuel system to be more compatible with ethanol?
Yes or No
6 Would you be willing to get involved (select all that apply)?
Write/e-mail legislator
Call legislator
Donate money
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1 Have you had trouble with your collector car that you attribute to E10?
Yes or No
2 Are you concerned of the effects that E15 (15% ethanol) or E20 (20% ethanol) will have on your collector car?
Yes or No
3 Are you concerned about any of the following (select all that apply)?
Loss of Performance
Damage to Engine or Fuel System
Cost to Modify or Repair Fuel System
Inability to Drive my Collector Car
4 Do you think it’s a good idea to run ethanol in collector cars?
Yes or No
5 Would you or have you rebuilt your fuel system to be more compatible with ethanol?
Yes or No
6 Would you be willing to get involved (select all that apply)?
Write/e-mail legislator
Call legislator
Donate money
Volunteer Time
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Hagerty is/are true enthusiasts and do a lot to support the hobby. Ethanol in the US from corn is a crock. Huge waste of money, increases food prices globally, reduces miles per gallon, is a net loser of energy in the production process, and does nothing to reduce our dependence on oil produced by countries that don't like us.
(Haven't received any survey yet)
(Haven't received any survey yet)
This was the "idea" by the environmentalists as a replacement for MTP, but it's really just a way farmers lobbist have latched onto to sell more corn. I was worried when I read a article a few months back about the government possibly allowing the raising the standard limit of 10% to 15%. I wrote to both Sunoco and ExxonMobil asking for information. That was a while ago and they both reponded that they have strick regulations as to adding 10% only and that they were not aware of any mandatory increases by anyone that they knew of. But you can take for what's is worth as I really doubt the major fuel companies would ever tell me the truth on anything.But, If the government does raise the limit from 10% to 15% you can start to be concrened about your fuel system, first to go with a 15% Ethanol will be the small metal parts in the fuel pump and injectors and soon after that any rubber and some plastics parts in the fuel system. Ethanol is a very small way to inject oxygen content in Gasoline. But the current 10% is really the maximum amount that does anything from a 'Greener' perspective. I personally am contacting my US Senators and Congressmen, as well as my state reps. to try to dissuade any ideas of raising the Ethanol content in pump gasoline and would encourge all of you to do the same. But you have to realize the Green Lobbist are extreamly powerful, and I really doubt anything can stop them, well till someone dies in a car fire.
The only thing I have learned about excessive Ethanol percentages is the direct amount of engine fires and other damage to your engine.The only vehicles designed to run the 15% is specially designed 'FlexFuel' GM and Ford vehicles. As for the rest of us, well we on our own.
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Duh gee, let's start making fuel from, uhhh, a major food source like corn! Yeah! Dat'l ***** show dem wepublicans how smart we are! Wet's get it funded. Den we can we-stwict dwillwing for oil anywhere in the US to dwive up da pwice!
Three guesses who does that sound like?
Three guesses who does that sound like?
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All that ethanol does is rob 10% of your mileage and at least 10% of your performance
and that stupid genetically altered corn that they grow needs a market since I have heard
that the cattle are even smart enough to NOT eat that crap. So then the only thing to do
with it is make us burn it in our cars. They also feed it to us in Popcorn and other food products that the public is dumb enough to buy . It also takes like 3 gallons of water to make 1 gallon of ethanol so where can that help the environment?
It is all about the MONEY.
Bill (redstingray74)
and that stupid genetically altered corn that they grow needs a market since I have heard
that the cattle are even smart enough to NOT eat that crap. So then the only thing to do
with it is make us burn it in our cars. They also feed it to us in Popcorn and other food products that the public is dumb enough to buy . It also takes like 3 gallons of water to make 1 gallon of ethanol so where can that help the environment?
It is all about the MONEY.
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...most of today's cars don't have a warranty that covers over 10% ethanol use, like my 2004 F-250 or 2006 Ford Mustang GT.
......HEY, wait a minute!!!!!!!! Maybe that's how the gubbermint is going to get us to buy all new vehicles!!!! Get us to void our warranties on our daily driver/collector vehicles so we have to purchase new ones...
...now that'll stimulate the economy.
......HEY, wait a minute!!!!!!!! Maybe that's how the gubbermint is going to get us to buy all new vehicles!!!! Get us to void our warranties on our daily driver/collector vehicles so we have to purchase new ones...
...now that'll stimulate the economy.
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All I have been able to learn in reading about this Ethanol thing is that it is good for the big industrial type farms to make $$. Doesn't really save the envirnoment or energy costs at all.
It seems that Corn is also not the best organic material to make Ethanol out of. The Brazilians make it out of Sugar Cane and get a much higher yield and better gas mileage than ethanol made with corn. I think the US Government is more interested in lobbyists and their donations than in really examining this and using the most efficient raw material product. If Ethanol is a viable alternative fuel, at all, that is.
Here in Florida, the state is buying up US Sugar's crop lands that were used to grow sugar cane because the demand for sugar has fallen. The state is going to turn it back to nature. Ha! thats a first since this state has allowed unregulated growth and development for years (want to got to the beach? you have to stay in a hotel or buy a condo). Why not use these farm lands it to continue to grow sugar cane for Ethanol production? That would free up crop lands needed to grow crops to feed people and livestock.
It's all politics.
It seems that Corn is also not the best organic material to make Ethanol out of. The Brazilians make it out of Sugar Cane and get a much higher yield and better gas mileage than ethanol made with corn. I think the US Government is more interested in lobbyists and their donations than in really examining this and using the most efficient raw material product. If Ethanol is a viable alternative fuel, at all, that is.
Here in Florida, the state is buying up US Sugar's crop lands that were used to grow sugar cane because the demand for sugar has fallen. The state is going to turn it back to nature. Ha! thats a first since this state has allowed unregulated growth and development for years (want to got to the beach? you have to stay in a hotel or buy a condo). Why not use these farm lands it to continue to grow sugar cane for Ethanol production? That would free up crop lands needed to grow crops to feed people and livestock.
It's all politics.
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Duh gee, let's start making fuel from, uhhh, a major food source like corn! Yeah! Dat'l ***** show dem wepublicans how smart we are! Wet's get it funded. Den we can we-stwict dwillwing for oil anywhere in the US to dwive up da pwice!
Three guesses who does that sound like?
Three guesses who does that sound like?
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[QUOTE=PRNDL;1570433573]Hagerty is/are true enthusiasts and do a lot to support the hobby. Ethanol in the US from corn is a crock. Huge waste of money, increases food prices globally, reduces miles per gallon, is a net loser of energy in the production process, and does nothing to reduce our dependence on oil produced by countries that don't like us.
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besides being crap it also increases the cost of the stuff we eat. Corn going to produce ethanol will make the cost of feed for our food cost more. And worst of all we dont have a friend in the White house either. All he knows is tax and spend, tax and spend some more.....
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besides being crap it also increases the cost of the stuff we eat. Corn going to produce ethanol will make the cost of feed for our food cost more. And worst of all we dont have a friend in the White house either. All he knows is tax and spend, tax and spend some more......
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I'm going to break the circle jerk here and say its a damn good thing.
It burns cleaner.
It displaces imported oil.
Its not one bit harmfull to any of your **** despite all the old wives tales.
I've been putting 10% in my vette since 1980 and unlike most of you, i acutally put serious miles on my car. My carb is the original one and there is no "rot". What a crock of bull****.
Where do you people live that you are just starting to see 10% ethanol in gas. Its been everywhere for the last 30 years and nobody's head has exploded.
HELLO?
It burns cleaner.
It displaces imported oil.
Its not one bit harmfull to any of your **** despite all the old wives tales.
I've been putting 10% in my vette since 1980 and unlike most of you, i acutally put serious miles on my car. My carb is the original one and there is no "rot". What a crock of bull****.
Where do you people live that you are just starting to see 10% ethanol in gas. Its been everywhere for the last 30 years and nobody's head has exploded.
HELLO?
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Does anybody remember the MTBE fiasco? The environmentalists swore it would cure all the ills cars cause the environment. They jumped on it here in Cali - it was everywhere. Then they discover it was getting into ground water and polluting all our fresh water. Ethanol is just MTBE revisited, Déjà vu all over again.
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From: Lutz Florida
I'm going to break the circle jerk here and say its a damn good thing.
It burns cleaner.
It displaces imported oil.
Its not one bit harmfull to any of your **** despite all the old wives tales.
I've been putting 10% in my vette since 1980 and unlike most of you, i acutally put serious miles on my car. My carb is the original one and there is no "rot". What a crock of bull****.
Where do you people live that you are just starting to see 10% ethanol in gas. Its been everywhere for the last 30 years and nobody's head has exploded.
HELLO?
It burns cleaner.
It displaces imported oil.
Its not one bit harmfull to any of your **** despite all the old wives tales.
I've been putting 10% in my vette since 1980 and unlike most of you, i acutally put serious miles on my car. My carb is the original one and there is no "rot". What a crock of bull****.
Where do you people live that you are just starting to see 10% ethanol in gas. Its been everywhere for the last 30 years and nobody's head has exploded.
HELLO?
Just curious, what part of the country are you located in that has been offering Ethanol blended gas since 1980?