Help with starter code
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Help with starter code
I just took out my starter to have it rebuilt and it looks like it is not the original starter and I dont wont to pay big $ to get this starter rebuilt if its not a matching code for my car. I have a 69 SB 4-speed and the code is 1108325 7 F22. If I read this correct it is for a 1967 or 1977 made on June 22nd? Is this correct?
Thanks
Jeremey
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Jeremey
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67`s and 77`s normally do not use the same starter because the nose determines the engine it would belong on, not its serial number..It would be extremely rare to have an original starter on a 40+ year old car, Rebuilders take the cores apart and the pieces are cleaned by the dozen and not part number specific, The cases are almost the same through the years and only the nose determines what it fits. Therefore numbers stamped on the cases are of no importance to the rebuilders and relying on numbers is not any concern to them. Unless they are building a customers special R/R unit.......'rebuild and return' like we do
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67`s and 77`s normally do not use the same starter because the nose determines the engine it would belong on, not its serial number..It would be extremely rare to have an original starter on a 40+ year old car, Rebuilders take the cores apart and the pieces are cleaned by the dozen and not part number specific, The cases are almost the same through the years and only the nose determines what it fits. Therefore numbers stamped on the cases are of no importance to the rebuilders and relying on numbers is not any concern to them. Unless they are building a customers special R/R unit.......'rebuild and return' like we do
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thanks for the info..
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I didn't quite say that. The housing where the numbers are stamped started off life 43 years ago on a six cyl engine. It's probably been through a few mix and match rebuilders shops and gotten scrambled with other parts that make it functionally acceptable for your engine. Take it to your local rebuilder and have them fix it- or do it yourself, not that difficult.
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Exchange it for a HD 350 Chevy starter at a local parts store. If other replies are correct you have a LD 6 cylinder case with the appropriate nose to make it fit your Chevy engine. The HD case is a better overall starter for any Vette.
HD = heavy duty case
LD = light duty case
HD = heavy duty case
LD = light duty case
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Exchange it for a HD 350 Chevy starter at a local parts store. If other replies are correct you have a LD 6 cylinder case with the appropriate nose to make it fit your Chevy engine. The HD case is a better overall starter for any Vette.
HD = heavy duty case
LD = light duty case
HD = heavy duty case
LD = light duty case
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From: Taylor Michigan
The starter pictured with a cast iron nose is normally used on BB 396/427`s. I have never known of that starter successfully used on a SB. And yes, its a HD case.....That was determined on your side view picture showing the 3/4' distance between the switch and brass field terminal coming out of the case. A LD case would 'not have that 3/4' space between the switch. This is true with all the Delco starters.
99% of GM starters do not need shims and some rebuilders keep adding them in the boxes and contributing to the confusion....and I suspect if your having starter drive problems it just might be the wrong application. SB starters use aluminum noses either straight across on early engines and a staggered nose for late models.
footnote for you, is that your starter can by merely changing the nose fit your engine
99% of GM starters do not need shims and some rebuilders keep adding them in the boxes and contributing to the confusion....and I suspect if your having starter drive problems it just might be the wrong application. SB starters use aluminum noses either straight across on early engines and a staggered nose for late models.
footnote for you, is that your starter can by merely changing the nose fit your engine
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I have a late production 69 car so I guess I need to find a staggered nose for this starter. Do you know where I can buy one of these? Should the shop that is going to rebuild my starter have these? Or another option is to buy a Delco remanufactured starter for $75.
thanks again for all your help..
thanks again for all your help..
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I have not checked my block casting number before so I will need to start there first to make sure I get the correct starter.
According to corvette-world.com there are 3 block casting numbers for small blocks in 1969. Early, mid, and late 1969
Casting # Cubic Inches Description/Application
3932386 350 300 & 350 Horsepower (early)
3932388 350 (unverified)
3956618 350 300 & 350 Horsepower (mid)
3970010 350 300 & 350 Horsepower (late)
3935439 427 390, 400, 430 & 435 Horsepower (early)
3955270 427 390, 400, 430 & 435 Horsepower (early)
3963512 427 390, 400, 430 & 435 Horsepower (late)
3946052 427 430 Horsepower ZL1 (aluminum)
According to corvette-world.com there are 3 block casting numbers for small blocks in 1969. Early, mid, and late 1969
Casting # Cubic Inches Description/Application
3932386 350 300 & 350 Horsepower (early)
3932388 350 (unverified)
3956618 350 300 & 350 Horsepower (mid)
3970010 350 300 & 350 Horsepower (late)
3935439 427 390, 400, 430 & 435 Horsepower (early)
3955270 427 390, 400, 430 & 435 Horsepower (early)
3963512 427 390, 400, 430 & 435 Horsepower (late)
3946052 427 430 Horsepower ZL1 (aluminum)
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Mike, I checked by block last night and it is late 69 casting # 3970010 with a build date of Oct 6th 1969. This is the same block used in 1970.
I am now trying to locate a part # for this starter that I need but it seems like every website I look at there are two different starters that will work for my car. For instance, if you look at
http://www.corvetteamerica.com/cf/di...d%3A%20starter
you will see part# 33649 and part#36528 both can be used for a late69 or 1970 SB 4-speed. Am I missing something?
Thanks for you help..
I am now trying to locate a part # for this starter that I need but it seems like every website I look at there are two different starters that will work for my car. For instance, if you look at
http://www.corvetteamerica.com/cf/di...d%3A%20starter
you will see part# 33649 and part#36528 both can be used for a late69 or 1970 SB 4-speed. Am I missing something?
Thanks for you help..
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I can't imagine going to the expense and trouble of ordering a starter via the internet, especially when a website gives confusing, incorrect and contradictory info. I honestly would not know which one to order from that site.
Go to your local auto parts store and get them to order a rebuilt. When it comes in, compare the two side-by-side and if acceptable, give them your old one as a core.
Go to your local auto parts store and get them to order a rebuilt. When it comes in, compare the two side-by-side and if acceptable, give them your old one as a core.
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You need an aluminum nose staggered bolt hole HD starter. It fits all 350`s until they went metric around 1978-80. and then the shape was the same except they have metric threads and a short switch plus they lack the 'R terminal...The early 350 starter is available at any parts store...
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Ironcross,
I just got off the phone with Shucks and they have a AC Delco rebuilt starter on the shelf with a cast iron nose. He said this is the replacement for my year. I even told him it was for a 1970 SB with a 4-speed. THis is the 2nd parts store that told me this. I cant believe this is that difficult..
I just got off the phone with Shucks and they have a AC Delco rebuilt starter on the shelf with a cast iron nose. He said this is the replacement for my year. I even told him it was for a 1970 SB with a 4-speed. THis is the 2nd parts store that told me this. I cant believe this is that difficult..
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The reason I said it was difficult is because Ironcross is telling me that I need a aluminum nose on the starter to be correct for my application but the old starter I took off the car and the starters at two different parts store are cast iron.
