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manuel brakes
Melting Slicks
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From: Doha
St. Jude Donor '08
I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. I would be willing to bet anyone that a properly set up manual system would have no different stopping distance than a properly set-up power system. It would make no difference in how fast the car stops. It has the same rotors, calipers and pads. Now maybe less effort with the power system. I went from power to manual in my 69 and I like the feel of the manual better. I did use the proper master cylinder bore. If someone feels that the power is that much better, then there must be something else going on in the system. 
Bill
Bill
Anyway, the hydroboost will give you the best of both worlds, the pedal will be hard and will give a much better feel, and you'll still have a power assisted brakes, I'm really sure that anyone who doesn't like the hydroboost, well, he just never tried one in a 'vette!
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Drifting
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From: Blanco County, TX
I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. I would be willing to bet anyone that a properly set up manual system would have no different stopping distance than a properly set-up power system. It would make no difference in how fast the car stops. It has the same rotors, calipers and pads. Now maybe less effort with the power system. I went from power to manual in my 69 and I like the feel of the manual better. I did use the proper master cylinder bore. If someone feels that the power is that much better, then there must be something else going on in the system.
Bill
Bill
At a speed that you can generate enough leg force to lock 'em, the stopping distance should be the same. I would consider an inability to lock my brakes at high speeds a feature, not a bug.
The car that stops the fastest is the one that generates the most total friction at all four rotors and tires simultaneously. The difference in leg force between a brake lock and maximum friction is more difficult to gauge with PBs, IMO.
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From: Graceland in a Not Correctly Restored Stingray
I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. I would be willing to bet anyone that a properly set up manual system would have no different stopping distance than a properly set-up power system. It would make no difference in how fast the car stops. It has the same rotors, calipers and pads. Now maybe less effort with the power system. I went from power to manual in my 69 and I like the feel of the manual better. I did use the proper master cylinder bore. If someone feels that the power is that much better, then there must be something else going on in the system.
Bill
Bill
After already having converted my shark to manual transmission and manual steering (both performance enhancements IMCO), I'm very much leaning towards going to manual brakes too. FWIW, the Reynard in my avatar creates a lot more braking energy than our C3's, sans power brakes. If braking isn't satisfactory, there's definitely an issue at hand. Among others, could be improperly turned rotors. Hope you find something simple.
FYI, conversion to or from manual brakes involves a good deal more than simply swapping the MC and re-bending lines.
TSW
Melting Slicks
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From: Doha
St. Jude Donor '08
Again, MOST of the people here just want to enjoy driving their C3s, and these C3s will be much more enjoyable to drive if they have a power steering and power brakes, thats all, you're just promoting manual brakes to the wrong people, thats all!
Melting Slicks
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From: Doha
St. Jude Donor '08
Drifting
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BTW, I'm hardly an avid autocrosser, having gone less than 3 times in the last 6 months. Our cars in basically stock condition, like mine, aren't very good for this purpose compared to the modern competition. But it has helped me learn alot about the characteristics of the car, it's handling and my driving skills, which is fun for me. When I get serious about autocrossing, I'll find a car more suited for it... like my wife's BWM...heh.
Cheers!
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From: Anderson SC
Having had my '68 since being a teen, I have to say that the power brakes in the "other cars" still feels "touchy" to me - my 68 with manual brakes feels "correct".
I have no problem with transitions.
-W
I have no problem with transitions.
-W
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From: Monson MA
I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. I would be willing to bet anyone that a properly set up manual system would have no different stopping distance than a properly set-up power system. It would make no difference in how fast the car stops. It has the same rotors, calipers and pads. Now maybe less effort with the power system. I went from power to manual in my 69 and I like the feel of the manual better. I did use the proper master cylinder bore. If someone feels that the power is that much better, then there must be something else going on in the system.
Bill
Bill
Drifting
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From: Monson MA
Sorry, went back and re-read the post. You are saying that a 1" piston is correct for standard brake (like mine) and the 1 1/8" is for power brakes. I mis-understood what I was reading. I guess I will be fine. Why I was trying to re-invent the wheel (braking syatem) I don't know. Thanks for causing me to go back a re-read the post.
