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Old Aug 13, 2015 | 09:49 AM
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I just went through this. I have a '69 vert that had been sitting since 1976. It was recommended to me to to have someone from the NCRS come out and look at the car before I touched it. It was a blast seeing a true purist go through my car. I learned a lot, made a Corvette Friend, and was introduced to the NCRS in a very positive way. That being said, it's your car now and there are a lot of things to consider and decisions to be made that only you can do. Get the suggested documentation and find someone who knows your year car to spend an afternoon with you going over the car to see what you really have. Then it's decision time for you as to how to proceed. Opinions here range from "Don't touch anything" to "Mod Everything" so there will be plenty of advice throughout the spectrum. Good luck with your car, it's beautiful!
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Old Aug 13, 2015 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ShakinJ
...a true purist...
You've been reading too many of Bats' posts. He likes that word.
Old Aug 13, 2015 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jecebc
I recently picked up a 1971 corvette w/454-360 HP. With 31K miles. Picked it up from essentially the original owner. I want to work on the car but am fearful of taking it away from original and reducing the value. I have not had a toy for Many years and new to the "Classic cars" ownership. I am new to corvettes so I wanted to make sure of a few things. I just don't want to reduce it's value

What constitutes original? Engine and trans match? How do I find these numbers to insure they match? Do all key components need to be original or what parts can be replaced, even if just to fix them? Learning....Thanks
You would probably have to look pretty hard to find another one like yours. If you do remove any parts, KEEP THEM!
Enjoy the car, it looks great.

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Old Aug 13, 2015 | 05:40 PM
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If you asked and wanted me to pay original guideline prices,
I'd say a car purchased brand new off the show room floor by original owner.
Parked and never had a single part changed to include any warranty work.
That would be an extremely low mileage car purchased off him or his estate.
That is what original means to me.
I was a military collector and original mean as issued no improvements.
I would think the same applies.

Now we have bent the rules a little by saying you can call it original if the motor is within 6 months of production date etc....
I know this will generate allot of opposing opinions but if you changed the fuel pump, I'm sorry it's not original, it's an over the counter replacement part dealer installed or not.
Over the counter replacement engine w/in a 6 month window from build date maybe correct by a judging manual for award purposes.
Now that leads to the fact there are so few original cars that these cars are often faked. ie.... LT1's,BB,435 cars etc....
Where there is demand there will always be a supplier.
These cars are 47 years old, stuff happens over 40 + years.
Few are Original by definition.
I just went back cause something caught my inspectors eye.
If the dip stick is chrome and the loop is flat it is not original.
It should be a loop with a red tip on 454 engines.
Sorry if I'm right, I inspected Marines in garrison previously.
Anything that looks off grabs my eye like a radar lock.
As you go through this car you may find more swapped out or replaced
parts. I'd drive it and enjoy it. The one in my avatar I drive the hell out of.
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Old Aug 13, 2015 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by marshal135

These cars are 47 years old, stuff happens over 40 + years.
Few are Original by definition.
I just went back cause something caught my inspectors eye.
If the dip stick is chrome and the loop is flat it is not original.
It should be a loop with a red tip on 454 engines.
Sorry if I'm right, I inspected Marines in garrison previously.
Anything that looks off grabs my eye like a radar lock.
As you go through this car you may find more swapped out or replaced
parts. I'd drive it and enjoy it. The one in my avatar I drive the hell out of.
Marshal
Owned my '71 for 40 years and never noticed a red tip....had to run out to the garage and look, sure enough, a red tip on the oil dipstick loop.
I learn something here every day.
Old Aug 14, 2015 | 07:14 AM
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if something breaks or wears out, it has to be dealt with. there is rubber all over that car that does not care that it was rarely driven. it has aged 45 years anyway. you want to see orig cars? take a walk through the junk yard. most of those are original. they were never upgraded-repaired. just driven until the orig engine-trans crapped out. i have a very clean 75. i just took off smog pump to change original water pump that a hole rusted through back plate. i can't justify putting smog pump back on, but i am keeping it, along with the old water pump. it was always garaged and has 66k on it. one body mount is squished. do i want 45 year old NOS body mounts? hell no! they are as aged as the ones in my car. 45 year old fan belt? need i say more?

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Old Aug 14, 2015 | 09:50 AM
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I agree with most of your statements...

Originally Posted by marshal135
Now we have bent the rules a little by saying you can call it original if the motor is within 6 months of production date etc....
Sounds like you're referring to NCRS judging rules? If so, NCRS Flight judging does not confirm 'originality'. The standard for judging is to have all parts appear as they did the day the car was built including casting numbers, date codes, etc. The stamp pad numbers are a minor consideration. Quite different when we're talking about what collectors value where 'originality' is a high priority. The six month rule when evaluating 'originality' only means if the date falls within this window it may be 'original'.

Originally Posted by marshal135
Now that leads to the fact there are so few original cars that these cars are often faked. ie.... LT1's,BB,435 cars etc....
True, that's what drives their value. Agree, if there's a strong market, people will fake them...
Old Jun 10, 2023 | 10:13 AM
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Your post is titled Original or Restomod. It probably should read Period Correct or Restomod. Original has sailed with the engine.
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Originally Posted by raypilot65
Your post is titled Original or Restomod. It probably should read Period Correct or Restomod. Original has sailed with the engine.
Youre commenting on a post title from 2015, by a member who hasnt logged on since 2019.




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