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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 10:18 AM
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I would like to hear about any upgrades anyone has done to improve the performance of their C3 power brakes. I've never been satisfied with the power brakes on my 76. They don't feel like power brakes in that you need to apply more pressure on the brake pedal than I think you should for power brakes. Maybe I'm expecting too much for 76 technology.
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are you sure you dont have air in the calipers? have you tried bleeding the system?
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I have not, so I will try that. Thanks for the suggestion
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are you sure you dont have air in the calipers? have you tried bleeding the system?
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My experience has been the opposite, I've always felt the system is over-assisted. It doesn't take much pedal pressure to stop and it's not the best feeling pedal either, I'd actually prefer to be able to push harder on the pedal to feel it better.

I'd check to make sure that your booster is functioning properly, a bad booster will make for a hard pedal and limited stopping power.
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My experience has been the opposite, I've always felt the system is over-assisted. It doesn't take much pedal pressure to stop and it's not the best feeling pedal either, I'd actually prefer to be able to push harder on the pedal to feel it better.

I'd check to make sure that your booster is functioning properly, a bad booster will make for a hard pedal and limited stopping power.
I've had the vacuum checked and it is sufficient, and there are no leaks. What else do I need to check to determine if it is functioning properly?
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immediately after turning off the engine does the brake pedal feel slightly soft and after a few applications of the brake pedal does it become rock hard?

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I would like to hear about any upgrades anyone has done to improve the performance of their C3 power brakes. I've never been satisfied with the power brakes on my 76. They don't feel like power brakes in that you need to apply more pressure on the brake pedal than I think you should for power brakes. Maybe I'm expecting too much for 76 technology.
My non-power brakes worked correctly, but in Louisiana the drivers are so spastic that I needed more braking. After I installed a brake booster the difference is now outstanding.

I guess you have to upgrade from non-power in order to notice the huge difference.
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immediately after turning off the engine does the brake pedal feel slightly soft and after a few applications of the brake pedal does it become rock hard?
No, and I just checked with a mechanic friend who took it for a drive. He thinks they are working fine, and I should not expect to react like brakes on a new Vette. Thank you for the suggestion.
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My non-power brakes worked correctly, but in Louisiana the drivers are so spastic that I needed more braking. After I installed a brake booster the difference is now outstanding.

I guess you have to upgrade from non-power in order to notice the huge difference.
It looks like my brakes are functioning like they should, so I guess I'm a happy camper now.

Thanks to everyone for the advice and suggestions. I really appreciate it.
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You want the answer to be "yes". The booster should hold vacuum after the engine is shut off, and you should get a few soft pumps (vacuum assisted) of the pedal before depleting the vacuum in the booster, at which point the pedal should get very firm. If its not acting this way, there may be an issue.
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Originally Posted by 69autoXr
You want the answer to be "yes". The booster should hold vacuum after the engine is shut off, and you should get a few soft pumps (vacuum assisted) of the pedal before depleting the vacuum in the booster, at which point the pedal should get very firm. If its not acting this way, there may be an issue.
Is it possibly a one-way check valve is the problem....how could he test the valve?

If the one-way valve is O.K. then the booster would be the problem?
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For what it's worth, I had a similar experience years ago with a 1988 WS6 Firebird that I bought used. The brakes seemed to take much more effort than they should. It was actually a little scary. All components looked fine, including the brake pads. I tried everything, literally. New master cylinder, new booster, new lines, bled till I was blue in the face. Nothing helped. Then I replaced the pads with original equipment pads from GM. Problem solved! Brakes were back to normal. Apparently the previous owner had replaced the pads with some kind of bargain basement items. If you don't know the history of your brake pads this might be worth a shot.
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we upgraded to powers brakes on our 72, Mechanic ordered all the necessary stuff, lines, booster etc etc from his GM supplier in the states. The initial drive didn't feel much different, if at all, from non power brakes. we thought maybe they need to be bedded in. a month goes by and I'm not happy. Took the booster apart and sent it off to a brake professional the mechanic has been dealing with for years, he calls him up immediately and says since when have you been using chinese reproduction parts!!??

The brake dude rebuilt the booster using modern genuine GM PARTS available here in Australian for GM cars, it now stops like a modern car.
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For what it's worth, I had a similar experience years ago with a 1988 WS6 Firebird that I bought used. The brakes seemed to take much more effort than they should. It was actually a little scary. All components looked fine, including the brake pads. I tried everything, literally. New master cylinder, new booster, new lines, bled till I was blue in the face. Nothing helped. Then I replaced the pads with original equipment pads from GM. Problem solved! Brakes were back to normal. Apparently the previous owner had replaced the pads with some kind of bargain basement items. If you don't know the history of your brake pads this might be worth a shot.
While you're there...check the rotors to see if they are soaked with brake fluid from years past, or possibly glazed over from years of use.
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Originally Posted by doorgunner
Is it possibly a one-way check valve is the problem....how could he test the valve?

If the one-way valve is O.K. then the booster would be the problem?
Could be, I guess it could be tested by trying to suck air through the booster side of the valve. Beyond that yes I'd be suspicious of the booster.
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Originally Posted by 69autoXr
You want the answer to be "yes". The booster should hold vacuum after the engine is shut off, and you should get a few soft pumps (vacuum assisted) of the pedal before depleting the vacuum in the booster, at which point the pedal should get very firm. If its not acting this way, there may be an issue.
When I said no on my initial response to you I meant I had not checked. I followed your suggestion, and the brake pedal responded as you indicated it should....after shutting off the engine the pedal was soft initially, but then was hard. I have several friends who have newer Vettes, so to determine if it was just my imagination that my brakes do not response as well as newer models, I drove 2 of the Vettes, a 2003 Z06, and a 2008, and though their response is quicker, it looks like my brakes do pretty well compared to 2003 and 2008 models. So, I need to such it up and be satisfied with what I have. Again, I want to thank everyone for their suggestions and advice. And, I would like to add I still prefer my restomod 76 over the newer models.
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I would check engine vacuume .if not between 15-18 that can make the brakes feel less boosted.you also can change the flexible brake lines to braided ss brake lines to give you a better feel.
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They just replaced the Booster in my 78 vette. It was feeling like manual brakes with glazed pads. After replacing the calipers and master cyl it improved but still wasn't right. It was all done at the Dealership under Warranty so I know they were doing their best to fix it not just running up my bill. The power brake booster solved my issue. brakes feel and work great now.
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