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Old May 15, 2017 | 02:10 PM
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Happened to watch an episode recently where a couple brought CK a black 69 L36 4 speed side exhaust coupe for a makeover and further modifications. For once I enjoyed "The Count" ranting, because he said these particular cars were his absolute favorite, above ANY OTHER CAR! He has never owned one and plans to in the future. CHA CHING

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That was a good episode.
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I saw that as well. I just wish the show was longer than 30 minutes so they could show more of what they do.
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I'm a GM/Chevy guy big time but have to admit Graveyard Cars is probably the best show on TV right now because they actually work on the cars. I guess TV Producers think we'd rather watch the people interactive BS than the work they do on the cars.
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I'm a GM/Chevy guy big time but have to admit Graveyard Cars is probably the best show on TV right now because they actually work on the cars. I guess TV Producers think we'd rather watch the people interactive BS than the work they do on the cars.
How true. If I wanted drama with accomplishing little-to-nothing, Id watch "Housewives of Whatever" with my wife. More How-to and less Bit*hing would be great!
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That was a good episode.

I do agree that I wish there was more involved with the car builds than the interactions between people. I am not a big fan of Graveyard Carz because the owner just puts me off. Fantomworks shows a good amount of the restoration work as well.
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No BS shows go to YouTube and check out Roadkill. 2 editors from hotrod get cars out of junkyards and drag race them. No drama and they show the work mostly except for a few episodes. They even have the back story of the monkey garage drag race from a few years ago. I guess that might be gas monkeys or something like that

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Fantomworks shows a good amount of the restoration work
They left my jaw hanging open when they butchered the front of a C3 front surround.... to eliminate the "rivet bumps".
I lost the desire to watch them after that. They should stick with metal cars, and leave the fiberglass alone.
I enjoy watching the Guild guys....and Chasing Classic Cars.
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Originally Posted by chazde3
That was a good episode.

I do agree that I wish there was more involved with the car builds than the interactions between people. I am not a big fan of Graveyard Carz because the owner just puts me off. Fantomworks shows a good amount of the restoration work as well.
Although I watch all of those, to varying degrees, Counting Cars has definitely gone down the wormhole of showing more "drama" and less car building. This past episode, they put pinstripes and paint accents on a brand new BMW Z4 for Dee Snider's wife, then Horny mike built a motorized picnic table with a "V8" grill. Not why I started watching this show in the first place, and it certainly won't keep my attention if it keeps up!
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Dolores has bled me dry so i cannot afford cable tv,never had it,so i have not seen any of theses shows.the only one i used to watch on public tv was last chance garage.i'm still saving up though.
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They're all going the way of "OCC", more drama and more made up BS, less actual work. I do watch Car Fix, Chasing Classic Cars, and The Guild when I am watching along with the older Wheeler Dealers episodes, they tend to have less BS & made up drama.

Too many of the other shows just make too much s*** up to fill air time.

....OOOHHH NOOOOO!!!!, he broke that ultra-rare rear glass on the '67 Barracuda..now what are they going to do???

No thank you.
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The biggest Counts Kustoms fail in my option was when Michael Godard (the olive artist) brought in is Lambo after he sold it to a rock guitarist. The Lambo had original art work on the doors and headrest, this meant nothing to the rock star as he wanted it all flat black - so, instead of Danny "recommending" that he wrap the car and preserve the value, they just go ahead and paint over it
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I'm a GM/Chevy guy big time but have to admit Graveyard Cars is probably the best show on TV right now because they actually work on the cars. I guess TV Producers think we'd rather watch the people interactive BS than the work they do on the cars.
It is about the only one that deals with proper restoration to original factory specs. Chasing Classic Cars only fixes problems for auction. All the rest target the modification crowd. I would never do to my car what CK did to that car...I just started the thread to show how early C3 big block cars are perceived by some who are in the biz.
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Old May 17, 2017 | 06:54 AM
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Not to get off subject here but I was watching and episode of Fantomworks. It was the episode with the 37 Buick. They showed a copy of the bill and I was able to stop the picture with my DVR and was able to read it. It was $148,000 for labor. I am glad I know how to do that type of work. Imagine what Graveyard Cars gets to restore a Mopar.
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Old May 17, 2017 | 07:42 AM
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They all are about cars, but the producers apparently, to gain/keep viewer attention feel they must have the drama.
Ironically most of us, will put up with that BS, just because we are motorheads, and will watch pretty much anything with cars in it.
Any time we can spark interest by whatever means, (TV show or anything else), we can get more people interested in our hobby.

Strictly entertainment..not to be taken seriously.
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I just happened to be in the neighborhood a few weeks back with my buddy, so we popped in to his showroom. I thought this car was stunning in person. Excuse the dark pic, he's got some weird lighting in the showroom. Truth be told he has some really nice cars. They had a low rider riviera that had so many different layers of art work, it was mind blowing! But I was checking out the C3, took a pic for just such an occasion as this.

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Graveyard Carz is probably the best show explaining and demonstrating how to restore a car. The Guild (Restoration Garage) comes in close, but both of the shows are starting to involve their wives, daughters and the storylines are suffering in the process. There was a show that was on for one season, it involved a small Texas restoration shop, the owner and narrator spoke in a slow monotone voice, and it was sort of boring to most people, but they really got into the nuts and bolts of a restoration. It took an entire season to restore a 56 Buick..good show,
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I've always preferred Wheeler Dealers (more Edd, less Mike). I'm hoping Edd lands a show that highlights his work and shows more of the "boring" details.
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Not to get off subject here but I was watching and episode of Fantomworks. It was the episode with the 37 Buick. They showed a copy of the bill and I was able to stop the picture with my DVR and was able to read it. It was $148,000 for labor. I am glad I know how to do that type of work. Imagine what Graveyard Cars gets to restore a Mopar.
The set up of the show is a very different picture then what the producers want you to know.
The owner has a plan to have a working model of an early 1970's Plymouth dealership with a substantial inventory of period cars. They won't be cheap, Mark caters to the marketable 2% of the high end spenders (by M. Worman).
The main part of the business is the collision shop. Although there are about 30 employees the six you see on tv were not picked because they are the best in the business, but more so for their character type personality and trained off camera to repeat an assembly process. They do however perform normal shop practices on a very limited basis. None are employed full time, 3 work at other shops, 1 at a local hardware store, 1 self employed and Marks Daughter is a hair dresser that works on the premises.
The shop rates are a sliding profession scale. Highly specialized recovery/assembly work is billed at $275/hr; general certified techs $150 /hr; assisted technical support work $100/hr; documention and research $80/hr.
2 year plus to delivery unless otherwise agreed upon schedule, 50% up front, 25% of balance due prior to motor/chassis marriage to body. Balance due upon final inspection and delivery. Any outside vendor work and materials must be paid in full prior to executable orders.

Known deliveries: 1969 Charger RT 383 4v, 4 speed full restoration, complete car as delivered, factory grade restoration. (11/15) $156,823.

08/15 delivery A body full factory grade paint over approved completed body restoration to final wet sanding. $27,219.

09/15 delivery complete car in service until delivery 04/13 factory original service requested $43,815 parts, $138,771 labor (average $163.62/hr) plus external fees.
1970 440 6x2, 4 speed. 375 hp., Charger

This is first hand information. Original documents in possession and obtained through public auction records

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I've always preferred Wheeler Dealers (more Edd, less Mike). I'm hoping Edd lands a show that highlights his work and shows more of the "boring" details.
Yes, He did just finish shooting the first half of the first season of his new show (I can't remember the name). The pilot is due to be aired in the U.K. This Oct.
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