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Old Oct 2, 2019 | 09:35 PM
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I have been a lurking sponge on here for awhile. I have a 1980 that, due to me trying to fix "the easy way" has led to a complete engine rebuild!!!!! Ain’t that always the way it starts???? Now to my question.....after getting the engine back together I put a replacement water pump on. The pump is hitting the timing cover "timing mark?", for lack of a better word, from a bolt on the back of the water pump. My engine guru thinks I may have got the wrong timing cover back from the machine shop. Is there a way to tell if this is the correct cover for this engine? Is there a thick and thin timing cover? I will post pics later on......
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 10:38 AM
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who is the manufacturer of the water pump and what is the part number?
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Old Oct 4, 2019 | 09:16 AM
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MelWff, the box says Murray. PN is 17051. There is also the number CP984 on the box. Made in China, as are most things these days.
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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 08:40 AM
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better yet, post pics ... particularly ,,, clear shots of both cover and tab
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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 01:19 PM
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Old pump.

Old and new pump "looks" the same.

Where it's hitting timing mark.
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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 01:20 PM
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the plate on back of water pump is supposed to have bolts with thin heads so they don't stick up off the back of the pump and hit the timing cover. if it is a bolt or two, buy bolts with smaller heads or take right angle grinder and trim the bolt down a bit. or borrow bolts from the old water pump. also check pulley alignment. mebbe could get away with double gaskets to space pump a 16th or so forward. changing timing cover is oil pan and balancer off. last choice...
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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 01:23 PM
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as i post the pics go up. grind the corner off the plate and swap or grind down that bolt.
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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 01:29 PM
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It maybe grinder time double D.....I DO NOT want to take off cover and oil pan!!! I did go by the parts store. Spoke with a hotrodder named Larry who suggested one with a longer/wider mounting points. It is for a 80 Camaro. It fixes my space issue but creates more fitment issues....pulley placement and heater hose routing just to name a few.
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Can anybody else confirm that a 1980 timing cover is supposed to have that tube? I cant find it anywhere.
To the OP where is the timing tab with the marks?
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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 01:43 PM
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Timing mark.
MelWff, this is what I got.....my mechanic asked if that was the correct cover. The machine shop may have given me the wrong cover back.
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I'm beginning to wonder about the cover too.
I can not find an image of a C3 Corvette with that tube. Link below is for a 1985 truck.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=498127
You may want to call the machine shop.

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Old Oct 5, 2019 | 06:31 PM
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MilWff this seems to solve my problem.......dammit, was hoping that wasn’t the problem.......now just to figure out the best way to fix it. With tearing it down being the last thing I want to do.......
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Originally Posted by MelWff
I'm beginning to wonder about the cover too.
I can not find an image of a C3 Corvette with that tube. Link below is for a 1985 truck.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=498127
You may want to call the machine shop.
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MilWff this seems to solve my problem.......dammit, was hoping that wasn’t the problem.......now just to figure out the best way to fix it. With tearing it down being the last thing I want to do.......

IIRC, trucks with those have Long WP ... Long pump body legs ... stands off forward from timing cover.

Pull the pump ... grind-cut ONLY the tube off ... remaining tab has your zero ... Verify with sp hole TDC stop ... that your damper & tab coincide w/ True TDC.
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 10:07 AM
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I was thinking about doing that Jackson. It will get done today sometime. Thanks for y’alls input on this. Sometimes you just need a sounding board........

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Originally Posted by ODOM
I was thinking about doing that Jackson. It will get done today sometime. Thanks for y’alls input on this. Sometimes you just need a sounding board........
There's a real possibility ... perhaps likelihood ... that tube-tab's Zero is in wrong position for your damper's mark ... photos below

http://www.mre-books.com/chevy/engin...ingchains.html

you may need to either change cover out ... or, to avoid damper R&R, retrofit a tab that mounts w/ cover bolts.
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Old Oct 6, 2019 | 06:00 PM
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Thanks for that information Jackson. It will come in handy.
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So did you assemble the engine or the machine shop. ? if they did make them do it with your correct parts
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Cover looks wrong to me. That tube is not used for timing or anything else on your engine. The timing marks would be wrong for the original '80 Corvette harmonic damper. These parts are wrong.

1980 L-82 stock setup. Yours might be a little different because of the smaller diameter damper BUT this setup angle is correct. Some other vehicles use timing marks in other orientations because that is the way to SEE THEM in service. The brackets and accessories would be in different locations for different vehicles so the timing marks and balancer marks move as a pair together depending on original application. The tab on your cover is closer to 12:00 where the Corvette tab would be closer to 2:30 and close to the edge of the timing cover. Need the right cover and positively verify the balancer Top Dead Center mark actually line up at Top Dead Center.


1980 L-82 original timing cover setup.

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Here's the cover with the tube ... with list of applications ... C3 Not listed although a '95 C4 is listed

https://www.dormanproducts.com/p-267...ver&origin=YMM

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Old Oct 9, 2019 | 02:50 PM
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82vett.....Me and my mech done the rebuild. I believe the shop just got crossed parts and I didn't catch it.
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