Borgeson steering feel
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Borgeson steering feel
Guys,
For those of you who have done the Borgeson Steering conversion, have you noticed more effort need be applied to make corrections while driving at speed as opposed to the stock system? I switched mine over about a month ago, and while I feel a more precise connection while steering, there is a significant increase required to move the wheel. At speed, it would compare to the steering effort of a non power steering car. PS pump belt is tight with no squealing and as I understand, the Borgeson needs less psi than the stock set up to provide the same feel and that many will actually reduce power steering pump psi to not over boost the new box. I have virtually all new steering and suspension components along with Van Steel semi coil overs, and new tires, however the stock pump as before. Any thoughts? Thanks!
For those of you who have done the Borgeson Steering conversion, have you noticed more effort need be applied to make corrections while driving at speed as opposed to the stock system? I switched mine over about a month ago, and while I feel a more precise connection while steering, there is a significant increase required to move the wheel. At speed, it would compare to the steering effort of a non power steering car. PS pump belt is tight with no squealing and as I understand, the Borgeson needs less psi than the stock set up to provide the same feel and that many will actually reduce power steering pump psi to not over boost the new box. I have virtually all new steering and suspension components along with Van Steel semi coil overs, and new tires, however the stock pump as before. Any thoughts? Thanks!
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I can't compare stock PS to Borgeson, but I can tell you is it definitely easier than non-PS. I have a 14" steering wheel and I agree it has a somewhat heavier feel than many PS systems, which I like. It feels more connected IMO. It's closer to the feel of a modern BMW or MB which tend to have a heavier feel than a Ford, Chevy, or Toyota.
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The Borgeson install on my 79 made the overall steering effort lighter, but I did not dial-in more caster, which I should. I also didn't restrict the power steering pump flow, as some do. I did have to replace the steering pump, as the original one started leaking immediately after the conversion (before, the leaks had been from everywhere else).
I also converted my 80 to manual steering. At speed, the required effort in the 80 is much greater (I also added a lot of caster with SPC upper A-Arms). The Borgeson-equipped 79 can be driven with one finger at all speeds.
I'd get an alignment done, or follow @cagotzmann's instructions and DIY, then see how it feels.
I also converted my 80 to manual steering. At speed, the required effort in the 80 is much greater (I also added a lot of caster with SPC upper A-Arms). The Borgeson-equipped 79 can be driven with one finger at all speeds.
I'd get an alignment done, or follow @cagotzmann's instructions and DIY, then see how it feels.
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Here is an interesting read:
https://www.turnone-steering.com/blo...him-kit-theory
Several vendors sell flow restricted fittings for these pumps.
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tried that. No effect for the positive. Also the borgeson box should be fine at 1300psi.
I have an interest in this subject myself as I have a Borgeson kit to soon put on my car. It seems to me that there is a bit of debate about whether less pressure or flow is required to make it feel less twitchy. From my limited research, it seems that less flow is what’s required.
Here is an interesting read:
https://www.turnone-steering.com/blo...him-kit-theory
Several vendors sell flow restricted fittings for these pumps.
Here is an interesting read:
https://www.turnone-steering.com/blo...him-kit-theory
Several vendors sell flow restricted fittings for these pumps.