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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 04:28 PM
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So I’m cruising Facebook market place and I come across this 71 lt1 for 82,000 and this stamp is very strange in my opinion although it’s claimed to be a top flight car I really think the peening on the pad gives it away and you can clearly see other numbers and or letters under the vin letters .. please any thoughts



don’t get me wrong this car is in outstanding condition and most everything is right car is in Wyane NJ on Facebook market place if people would like to view it I won’t upload the link
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 05:02 PM
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It just looks like pitted metal to me.
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Just above this yellow line
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 05:34 PM
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Shouldn't there be a way to confirm it is genuine?
AND not just a great job of acid etching?
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 05:40 PM
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Is this not a 5 or am I just seeing things
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looks like 2 sets of numbers?

top flight?
don't they check numbers?
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 06:13 PM
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Five different NCRS judges on five different days will have five different opinons.
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 06:41 PM
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It's like Bigfoot bro' ....I'm just not seeing it.


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Does it have any other paper work to prove it's a LT-1. But I don't see anything bad on that pad beside bad rust
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top flight car is on facebook market place in wayne NJ I did not want to promote the car in anyway I do not know the owner and I did not want to turn this into a for sale thread
by posting it
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A Top Flight award does not mean original drivetrain. The engine pad is not very many points. They are more concerned that it’s a correct block, not original.
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Old Apr 7, 2023 | 09:21 PM
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For 82,000 dollars it better be right
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it is really hard to fake rust pits. my vote is correct stamping. but DON'T YOU DARE buy that car cuz i think the vin is ok...
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So I’m cruising Facebook market place... please any thoughts
If the above photo looks like this in the listing, it raises some question for me. The moire lines (the through a window screen look) are indicative of scanning an off-set printed image and not a direct photograph of the car. Are there other photos of this exact car in its entirety without the moire effect?
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A Top Flight award does not mean original drivetrain. The engine pad is not very many points. They are more concerned that it’s a correct block, not original.
I haven’t seen the flight judging manual, so I am certainly not an expert, but one NCRS member told me my car is ineligible because the engine has been out of my car; it’s the original, numbers-matching engine it came with, but the cam was broken so the previous owner rebuilt the engine.

$82k seems very high for an LT-1. I don’t know how many were made, however. That’s L68/L71 territory.
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I’ve always said that it is difficult to definitively confirm a stamp pad with a photograph (although you can rule one out). You really need to see a pad in person, under magnification.

Having said that (and if the dates on the Top Flight certificate are correct), I would have signed off on this pad as team leader and my judges would have had to OK it as well. This was done at a National event (as opposed to a Chapter or Regional) so the very best judges available to me would have looked at. Could we have made a mistake? Possibly. We always give the benefit of the doubt to the owner when judging, but I doubt there was an issue in this case.

I’d be willing to bet that this pad looks fine once you see it up close and not in a somewhat grainy photograph.

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Originally Posted by Coronette
I haven’t seen the flight judging manual, so I am certainly not an expert, but one NCRS member told me my car is ineligible because the engine has been out of my car; it’s the original, numbers-matching engine it came with, but the cam was broken so the previous owner rebuilt the engine.

$82k seems very high for an LT-1. I don’t know how many were made, however. That’s L68/L71 territory.
That one NCRS member was either referring to bowtie judging, or doesn’t know what he is talking about. That is inaccurate regarding flight judging.
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