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Old Apr 25, 2005 | 09:32 PM
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I have a 72 350/190 hp but was rebuilt before I got it. What is the Dwell angle setting? Also, the mechanical advance works fine but when I disconnect the vacuum advance hose, the timing marks move away from zero instead of toward it and when reconected it increases the advance. Looks like I need a new vacuum advance? Thanks, Paul
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Old Apr 25, 2005 | 11:20 PM
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and when reconected it increases the advance. Looks like I need a new vacuum advance? Thanks, Paul


this sounds right to me? if you have vacuum the vac cannister should advance the timing, why do you think this wrong?

the timing tab has numbers on both sides of the 0 could you be reading it wrong?
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I have a 72 350/190 hp but was rebuilt before I got it. What is the Dwell angle setting? Also, the mechanical advance works fine but when I disconnect the vacuum advance hose, the timing marks move away from zero instead of toward it and when reconected it increases the advance. Looks like I need a new vacuum advance? Thanks, Paul
The dwell angle is 30 degrees for points. The gap is .019" with a feeler gauge if you do not have a dwell meter.

The vacuum advance is probably set up to use manifold vacuum based on what you have described. This is probably not the way it was from the factory but this is not always a bad thing. If this was done right, it works great. I have it that way on my cars.

The thing that sounds strange is the way it behaves when you disconnect the hose...

"when I disconnect the vacuum advance hose, the timing marks move away from zero instead of toward it and when reconected it increases the advance."

This is confusing from what we would expect. The timing should go closer to zero with the hose removed and it should advance with the hose installed. If the timing advances with the hose connected and backs off with the hose removed you are doing fine.

This assumes that the correctly selected replacement vacuum advance canister was installed in the first place. You can not just hook up the hose from the ported connection and slap it on the manifold vaccum using the factory vacuum advance canister and expect it to work properly.

Hope this helps in some way.

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The thing that sounds strange is the way it behaves when you disconnect the hose...

"when I disconnect the vacuum advance hose, the timing marks move away from zero instead of toward it and when reconected it increases the advance."

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you know could this be happening.....lets say the initial timing is at 8* BTDC with direct vacuum.....he disconnects the vacuum and it moves away from 0 to say 4* ATDC....then when he connects the vacuum it advances the timing to the BTDC range....however can a car effectively run at timing ATDC?
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Thanks for the info, the orginal dwell was at 20 so I'll set it to 30 tonight and recheck the timing and the vacuum issue. I know the replacement edelbrock carb has 2 places for the vacuum and maybe it is in the wrong one. The engine does run well and has good power so that is why the vacuum results seemed off to me.
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you know could this be happening.....lets say the initial timing is at 8* BTDC with direct vacuum.....he disconnects the vacuum and it moves away from 0 to say 4* ATDC....then when he connects the vacuum it advances the timing to the BTDC range....however can a car effectively run at timing ATDC?
I would mark the balancer at 36 degrees BTDC using a tape measure and a sharpie (1/10th of the distance around the balancer is 36 degrees), disconnect the vacuum advance, rev the engine up to where the timing stops advancing, line up the 36 degree sharpie mark with the zero on the timing tab, lock down the distributor, then hook up the vacuum advance hose to the ported tap on the carb and just run it. If you want anything better than that you can read more of Lars papers on the subject of recurving. That is the short and sweet of it.

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I have a 72 350/190 hp but was rebuilt before I got it. What is the Dwell angle setting? Also, the mechanical advance works fine but when I disconnect the vacuum advance hose, the timing marks move away from zero instead of toward it and when reconected it increases the advance. Looks like I need a new vacuum advance? Thanks, Paul
Did some one put and advance kit (weights/springs) in the distributor? If so, you wouldn't need the vacuum advance hooked up. If this is the case it would explain the timing mark being off. At idle the timing would have to be way ahead of TDC in order for the advance to be correct under throttle. In other words say you have a mech. advance that puts 32 deg total advance in under throttle, if you hook up the vac. advance and it adds another 20 deg of advance you got about 52 degrees of total advance. You would have to take out around 20 deg. if initial timing for the total timing to be around 30 deg. total. Hope this makes sense.

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