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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 12:54 PM
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When I build my Big Block, I was planning to get a Holley 850 Double Pumper, but in talking with some friends of mine, they recommended that I should consider getting one with Vacuum Secondaries since my Vette will be mostly a street cruiser.

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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 01:20 PM
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If you don't use the secondaries much then the double pumper is worth it.
Or if you don't mind the loss in milage.
They do kick.
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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 01:31 PM
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Need more info. Cam, heads, trans, rear gears, etc. A mild street motor will be better with vacuum. Something with good heads healthy cam and some gears would be better with a DP carb. I like the DP carbs, you always know when the secondaries are in.
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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 01:40 PM
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I am a big fan of the double pumpers. Yes they are richer then a similiar vacuum carb but with a little leaning out they give similiar mileage. I have even used the big double pumper on a small block with good luck.
For a big block I feel a 850 double pumper is ideal
I like them so well I use 2 of them on my 460.
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I have a 600cfm double pumper on my 383 and I like it. it is simple and you have a little more adjustment with the second acell pump.
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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 02:43 PM
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Need more info. Cam, heads, trans, rear gears, etc. A mild street motor will be better with vacuum. Something with good heads healthy cam and some gears would be better with a DP carb. I like the DP carbs, you always know when the secondaries are in.
The plan is to achieve about 9.5:1 compression, Aluminum oval port heads...possibly the Edelbrocks, but preferably a set of AFRs. I want to use a solid lift cam (to re-live my old hot hodding days) but not sure what lift and duration just yet. I plan to keep my 3.08 gears, but get something like a Richmond 6 speed OD with a low first gear.

I have had double pumpers and vacuum secondaries, and I really loved the DPs! Really made my Big Block 68 Camaro come alive when they hit.

I am still leaning towards the DPs, but just looking at all of the options.


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Go with the DP. Much better response with that setup.
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Originally Posted by Gordonm
Go with the DP. Much better response with that setup.
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9.5:1 sounds a little low to me if you are going with aluminum heads, no? I would think you could easily go 10.5:1 or 11:1 with a bit of a cam???

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Originally Posted by Gordonm
Go with the DP. Much better response with that setup.
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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 05:13 PM
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I'd go with a Barry Grant over the Holley if it were me.. 850 Mechanical secondary's... JMO... Dave..
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Originally Posted by dath
9.5:1 sounds a little low to me if you are going with aluminum heads, no? I would think you could easily go 10.5:1 or 11:1 with a bit of a cam???

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I would like to go with the higher compression, but I also want it to be gas pump friendly. I don't really plan to race this Vette, but I would like it to be a real responsive street machine.





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Originally Posted by youwish2bme
I'd go with a Barry Grant over the Holley if it were me.. 850 Mechanical secondary's... JMO... Dave..
I have been seriuously been considering that, but the price factor has always brought me back to the Holleys.

The BGs may be worth saving up for however!







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Originally Posted by matchframe
I have been seriuously been considering that, but the price factor has always brought me back to the Holleys.

The BGs may be worth saving up for however!







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Summit is closing out their BG line and have discounts on some models
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Originally Posted by yellow 72
Summit is closing out their BG line and have discounts on some models
I will have to check that out!!!

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Originally Posted by matchframe
I would like to go with the higher compression, but I also want it to be gas pump friendly. I don't really plan to race this Vette, but I would like it to be a real responsive street machine.
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One of the major reasons for running aluminum heads is their greater heat dissipation permits running higher compression ratios without causing pre-ingnition. If you're only running a 9.5:1 c.r. then you don't need aluminum heads except for the weight advantage (the other major reason). You could easily run 10.5 or 11:1 on pump gas.
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I agree with RagTop69, though I'm by no means an authority. Weight and compression ratio are the two major reasons I've heard for using aluminum heads. If it weren't for those reasons, I'd stick to iron heads as they have a couple of advantages as well. . . Price, not as many sealing issues, and not as likely to strip bolt holes or plug holes if you get heavy handed. . .

Just my $.02, I'm sure someone who knows better will chime in
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I thought aluminum heads flowed better? Something to do with the casting allows more room for the important compromises.
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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 09:09 PM
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Could be that they do, I couldn't say there, like I said, I'm no authority, I just think that he may not have researched the issue fully
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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 10:08 PM
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The reason I want to use aluminum heads is for the weight issue. I got my 454 out of a 1 ton truck which had a set of peanut port heads. I knew when I bought the truck for the Big Block that I was going to use aluminum heads for the weight difference so getting the engine out of a truck was a good deal for me.

I did not know that aluminum heads made it able to use a higher compression and still be pump friendly!! I will need to check this out further!!! I had rather use as high as compression as I can.

Thanks for that info!



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