Carb shooter size
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Carb shooter size
I have a 355 with an air gap intake and a Holley 700 double pumper and have been having a bad stumble off idle (bad enough that the car would frequently stall). I looked at the current shooter sizes (no I don't mean jets) and they were 28 on the primary and 31 on the secondary. I upped the size to 37 on the primary and secondary and that helped significantly; however, there was still a stumble. I next upped the size to 40 on both the primary and secondary and this helped out more, but it's not completely fixed (I am using hollow screws for the 40s). I had thought that I would need a much bigger engine before needing 40+? Is anybody else using this big of shooters for a similar setup?
As a side note I have been playing with the accelerator pump cams as well, and the fuel level is right were it should be in the fuel bowl. Thanks for the input
As a side note I have been playing with the accelerator pump cams as well, and the fuel level is right were it should be in the fuel bowl. Thanks for the input
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You probably already know this but I have to ask. Do you have any slack in the accelerator pump linkage at all? If so, then that is a problem.
You need zero slack at idle and .015" additional travel available at WOT to prevent damage to the diaphram.
Assuming that is right...
Do you run a lot of vacuum advance at idle with a lot of initial and a fast ignition curve? I had this sort of problem where the vacuum would drop so far at tip-in that the ignition would back off and the rpms would drop down so far that it would want to die when I was taking off from a start. I backed off the initial timing a few degrees and that helped along with a different accelerator pump cam.
Just a few things to look at.
-Mark.
You need zero slack at idle and .015" additional travel available at WOT to prevent damage to the diaphram.
Assuming that is right...
Do you run a lot of vacuum advance at idle with a lot of initial and a fast ignition curve? I had this sort of problem where the vacuum would drop so far at tip-in that the ignition would back off and the rpms would drop down so far that it would want to die when I was taking off from a start. I backed off the initial timing a few degrees and that helped along with a different accelerator pump cam.
Just a few things to look at.
-Mark.
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Sounds like increasing the shooter size is helping but probably just masking the real problem. I had a stumble if I nailed the gas at about 2500RPM on mine and went from 31 to 35 shooters in my 825 ( flows over 950 ) Race Demon. That pretty much fixed the problem, I have a 406ci with over 500HP so I doubt you need shooters any bigger than 31. Check for vacuum leaks first then rejet up a couple of sizes becuase a lean condition is usually the culprit for an off idle stumble
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read this excellent article by "Lars" from this forum Demons and Holleys are nearly the same.
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/fo...?Number=995983
http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/fo...?Number=995983
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Thanks a lot for the replys guys! I have quite a bit to go on now and I'll get to work on it tomorrow.
My initial advance is about 15 (without vacuum), and by about 2500 rpm I'm at 36. Once I hook up my vacuum at idle my timing goes to 36. I do use the lightest springs and smallest bushing in my MSD distributor.
I thought that was probably the case. I have never changed the jets before and was hoping that I wouldn't have to, but it's probably a good thing for me to learn to do. I will definately have to check for vacuum leaks as well, another thing for me to learn to do.
Thanks for the link to that, it is excellent!
Do you run a lot of vacuum advance at idle with a lot of initial and a fast ignition curve?
I have a 406ci with over 500HP so I doubt you need shooters any bigger than 31. Check for vacuum leaks first then rejet up a couple of sizes becuase a lean condition is usually the culprit for an off idle stumble
read this excellent article by "Lars" from this forum Demons and Holleys are nearly the same.