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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 08:44 PM
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...a "self-contained" injection unit? I'm about to re-do my engine and was admiring the marine TPI injection units...all the electronics are contained on top of the motor, no return lines to hassle with, etc., etc.

Do they make something similar for an automobile? Would a marine unit work on a car?
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interesting, got a pic? What motor?
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Originally Posted by SIXFOOTER
interesting, got a pic? What motor?
Any post-87(?) Mercruiser, SBC/BBC:

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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 09:14 PM
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I don't get it? You want your car to run in water? Nice to see you actually have a vette Tony!!
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MsVetteMan
I don't get it? You want your car to run in water? Nice to see you actually have a vette Tony!!


I want to install an injection unit without having to run wiring harnesses, controllers, return lines, etc. all over the place.

Here's a unit I found on E-Stink:


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That would be an interesting project. Might have to take a closer look at this.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 09:29 PM
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The GM Ramjet crate motors use that stand alone injection system similiar to the Mercruiser set up,I'm not sure if they are available without the engine though.
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The marine ECM's are pretty basic in that they don't use O2 sensors. I think they are speed/density units that use a table for fuel ratio. That table may be difficult to edit depending on the ECU they use. I used to look at the offshore boating forums (www.offshoreonly.com) for info on BB EFI. They are doing very impressive things with marine engines. Nothing is more punishing to an engine than to rum at WOT for an hour at a time.

The fuel injection pumps that are used are usually a self contained unit that includes a reservoir, pump, return line w/float shutoff all in one unit. I have a Mercury Marine pump like this but I cant figure out where to put it in my car (because of its size).
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Originally Posted by BBShark
I have a Mercury Marine pump like this but I cant figure out where to put it in my car (because of its size).
Ehh...there's always a catch.

Do you have a pic of the pump?
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Originally Posted by TonySinclair
Ehh...there's always a catch.

Do you have a pic of the pump?
This is the Mercruiser 7.4L pump. It's about 10 inches tall with all the fittings at the top (shown). The pump needs to be lower than the tank or have a low pressure feed pump. The good thing is that it has a sump built in and a return. The bad news is that they are difficult to mount in the car, they need to be mounted in a place where they could not be hit in an accident and dump a bunch of gas and they are expensive to rebuild. Most of the offshore boat seem to be running Aeromotive and Holleys.

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Originally Posted by tfi racing
The GM Ramjet crate motors use that stand alone injection system similiar to the Mercruiser set up,I'm not sure if they are available without the engine though.
thats right, and there is a stand alone system i read about in hot rod, and they used it on hp tv. i will have to thumb thru some old mags to find the name. in any case your still gonna have to install a new fuel system, and if you use a auto overdrive tranny the stand alone module for it is really common and sells for 40 bucks. i once put efi on a jeep cj and it was not hard at all even though it was NOT stand alone like your wanting.
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Originally Posted by BBShark
This is the Mercruiser 7.4L pump. It's about 10 inches tall with all the fittings at the top (shown). The pump needs to be lower than the tank or have a low pressure feed pump. The good thing is that it has a sump built in and a return. The bad news is that they are difficult to mount in the car, they need to be mounted in a place where they could not be hit in an accident and dump a bunch of gas and they are expensive to rebuild. Most of the offshore boat seem to be running Aeromotive and Holleys.

Yep...that could pose a problem. My boat is carbureted, so I haven't had the opportunity to look at a Mercruiser EFI close-up.
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How about one of these

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Originally Posted by redc3
thats right, and there is a stand alone system i read about in hot rod, and they used it on hp tv. i will have to thumb thru some old mags to find the name. in any case your still gonna have to install a new fuel system, and if you use a auto overdrive tranny the stand alone module for it is really common and sells for 40 bucks. i once put efi on a jeep cj and it was not hard at all even though it was NOT stand alone like your wanting.
I think the unit you're talking about is this one. It looks like a nice setup.

www.massfloefi.com

It looks like you can get a full setup for around $2500 with their discount for the Victor Jr. manifolds.
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How about one of these

That was the engine Ford put in the Taurus SHO...first gen was a Yamaha V6 outboard block and then they switched to the V8. When you stomped on it, the car sounded like a boat taking off...
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